By Heather O.
It’s true. The real Jeremy Bentham is interred in London, in some freaky box, at the Univeristy College London, and is on display for the public. DH insisted that we see it on a trip we took 5 years ago. Yes, in the land of museums, theater, and really bad breakfast food, we travelled halfway across the city to see some really dead and crusty philosopher of utilitarianism. What can I say, that’s what you get for marrying a law geek.
So besides the fact that the real Jeremy Bentham was a contemporary of the real John Locke, what the heck does it have to do with the island?
Also, some other points:
Totally bawled when Sun left Jin on that boat. Man, was that sad.
Totally bawled when Desmond kissed Penny. Man, that was steamy and romantic and gave you all kinds of happy feelings that just don’t come that often on Lost.
Totally wondered the whole time, “HOW IS THE BABY EATING? NOBODY HAS BOOBS EQUIPPED TO DO IT!” Seriously, I didn’t see any Gerber labels on that Dharma stuff, so even floating 9 hours on that life raft for the ‘convincing sunburn’ made me cry out–”BUT WHO IS GOING TO FEED THE BABY FOR 9 HOURS?” Perhaps because I was nursing my own baby while watching (yeah, yeah, yeah, she’s almost a year and I’m still nursing–wanna fight?) I was particularly sensitive, and perhaps because my own baby is petite and bald and fair skinned and bears a shocking resemblance to baby Aaron I was particularly sickened when the helicopter went down and all I could picture was the poor child drowning in sea water, and HE didn’t have a life jacket, and, yeah, right, like Kate’s just going to be able to HANG ON TO HIM while crashing into the ocean when the impact was bad enough to almost kill Desmond….(Ok, deep breaths, hugging my baby, moving on…)
Wasn’t the whole point of Charlie’s death was so that Claire could get on a helicopter? Dude, no Claire on any helicopter. What’s up with that?
I figure time has no meaning, so I’m tired of trying to figure out the sequence of events. But since the scene where Ben shows up in the desert he still had the injury he got falling into whatever that weird snowy pit thingie was, I assume he transported there right after he moved the island. But the obviously put him into the future a bit, because Sayid was already married and widowered. (Is that a word?)
And Charlotte–born on the island? Su-weeht. Whose daughter is she? Annie’s? Ben’s? Ben’s AND Annie’s? And how does Miles know that she was born there, huh, huh, hunh? Stupid ghost seeing guy kinda creeps me out.
And what happened to the second set of boat goers who went out with Faraday? Did they reach the freighter and get crispy too, or are they marooned somewhere else?
Poor Locke. I mean, the guy can’t catch a break. How did he get off the island? Why does he want Jack to go back? How did he die, or is he really even dead?
And who in the friendly heck is Jacob?
Gotta say I TOTALLY thought the island brought back that bad guy who looks like he has half a lemon stuck under his gums. I’m glad he just had good body armor.




I don’t try to understand anything on Lost any more. You can’t make sense of it. It’s all too wild, crazy and out there!
But I have to agree with the baby Aaron stuff. There’s nothing magical about a baby’s physical needs. This baby is supposed to be, what a month or two old at the very most?? Even an older baby has to eat at least every 3-4 hours or you’re going to hear some massive crying. And what about the fact that Aaron is naked and for all we know, not wearing any Dharma diapers! Even if he was wearing some kind of diaper, they sure ain’t changing them running around the jungle, flying in helicopters, crashing into the ocean, or sitting on a life raft for hours and hours.
Seriously, I can deal with all the fantasy stuff that is going on with Lost. But I’m highly annoyed at the lack of realism dealing with baby Aaron. Can’t they at least say that the island is magically taking care of his baby needs?
Comment #1 by apple pieMay 30th, 2008 at 9:44 amI felt the same thing regarding Baby Aaron. All I could think of was how is he eating and worried about how he was after the helicopter crashed. I think only Moms do weird things like wonder where they are getting formula to feed the baby….
Comment #2 by KatieelMay 30th, 2008 at 10:03 amAll in all I thought it was a great finale.
I kept thinking - what about the other people on the frieghter? Wouldn’t they have been crowded around the helicopter wanting to go too? That didn’t make sense to me.
When Sawyer jumped, I cried. I wish I knew what he’d said to Kate. I’m glad we saw him actually GET to the island.
I wasn’t really following Jack’s line of thinking for the lie. He thought Widmore’s people would kill them if they told the trught to the media? Wouldn’t it kind of be too late? (Although obviously, the media would think they were nuts, pretty much.)
Who is Annie?
Comment #3 by SueMay 30th, 2008 at 10:13 amI was gasping when I realized the helicopter was crashing and then flipped over thinking of little Aaron, (man his face when they were putting him onto the boat was priceless).
I know they have made him diapers, I’ve seen one spot where they were washing them, but yeah, don’t think he gets changed very often. Technically they could temporarily feed him coconut milk, well if they had a bottle or syringe or something, but maybe it would of been more realistic to hear him crying constantly helping to reinforce the fact that he was um, starving.
I had to not let my DS eat at 5 weeks old for 9 hours in the ER once, it was not a pretty site. However, it sure made it easier for him to drink the Nutramagin *gag* they wanted him to drink cause he didn’t care at that point what he was fed.
Okay, now I’m sure i’m a huge Lost loser but who in the heck is Jeremey Benthan, he’s a real person??? totally don’t get that part.
Comment #4 by SarahMay 30th, 2008 at 10:47 amJohn Locke lived 1632 to 1704. Jeremy Benthem lived 1748 to 1832. Not quite contemporaries, though they were both English. Sorry, I do not watch lost but I do teach the history of political philosophy.
For a pictuce of the Bentham display with the actual head (the body is real but the head on the body is not) see:
http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/external/atanu/jb.html
Comment #5 by Chris H.May 30th, 2008 at 10:58 amChris, you are absolutely correct. I read on another board about Bentham and Locke being contemporaries, and so I posted it. I asked DH about it, and he scoffed and said, “Whoever said that is out to lunch. That’s like saying Bill Clinton is a contemporary of William KcKinley”. So I apologize for the mistake, and thank you for calling it to our attention. Is there any more light you can shed on Bentham, and why the Lost people would be using his name?
Comment #6 by Heather O.May 30th, 2008 at 11:17 amI think Bentham was really into time travel and the philosophy of it.
I am so glad I am not the only one who was wondering how Aaron was eating. This makes me feel a little more normal
Comment #7 by KrisMay 30th, 2008 at 11:23 amI thought the exact same thing about the baby…why is not screaming from hunger? Or maybe he’s so legarthic from hunger, he can’t cry anymore.
At the end of the episode…all I could say was “what the heck?!!!”
Now there are more questions, than answers.
I do have to give the writers credit, they know now to get you to keep watching with all the mysteries.
Comment #8 by SherrieMay 30th, 2008 at 11:27 amI should apologize for being so anal (it is not that important). I find his body on display more interesting than his theory.
I do not watch Lost enough to be able to add anything. They must be interested in English political philosophers (or unable to think of original names). Are there any Thomas Hobbes or John Stuart Mill connections? There does seem to be a link between John Locke (the philosopher) and the idea of man living in a state of nature like they do in Lost. Bentham rejects that approach to philosophy so I am not sure how he might fit.
Comment #9 by Chris H.May 30th, 2008 at 11:30 amp.s. the picture of Jeremy Bentham is just creepy.
Comment #10 by SherrieMay 30th, 2008 at 11:32 amI don’t know if I could stomach seeing that in person.
The head is no longer part of the regular display.
Comment #11 by Chris H.May 30th, 2008 at 11:33 amIt’s still creepy, though.
Chris, other philosphers’ names include Hume, Burke, Faraday (although I think he was a physicist, not a philosopher). There is also a C.S.Lewis (which is why I prefer to think of the island as Narnia–it helps with the time weirdness), and a Benjamin Linus, whose name HAS to be important–I’m just not sure how yet. And don’t worry about being so picky about philosphers–my husband is the exact same way.
Comment #12 by Heather O.May 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pmI have been going crazy wondering the same thing about Aaron! Having a nursing baby now, it is always on my mind. When she eats, how long she eats, when she’ll eat next….. How is that poor baby eating? (BTW, I know it isn’t real life) Like someone mentioned earlier, I wish they would at least address the issue, it stresses me out.
I wanted to cry for Sun too, that was awful. I kept hoping that Jin wasn’t really dead, that maybe they had to leave him behind for one reason or another, but an exploding, sinking ship kinda finalizes it. Or does it?
Comment #13 by JessicaMay 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI thought the same thing about Aaron! I have a 4 month old right now, and as I have watched this season I have TOTALLY rolled my eyes at the lack of needs the baby has. I joked to my husband that maybe Sun was lactating already.
Comment #14 by BeckyMay 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pmReminds me of Rachel’s baby on Friends.
On a lighter note. Add another Sawyer quip to the list - Kenny Rogers aka Frank.
Comment #15 by Jackie W transplanted OkieMay 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pmTotal speculation here - maybe Charlotte is Locke’s daughter somehow? In some weird time travely way? I’m only thinking that because of the red hair and the eyes.
Comment #16 by SueMay 30th, 2008 at 1:41 pmWhat kind of a mom does it make me since I never wondered how Aaron was being fed (maybe once, I can’t remember), but I was too busy thinking about how advanced he is for his age. My daughter is a month older than him and is either just doing some of those things, or not doing them at all. …
Other than that, I have nothing much to add - other than I think having to wait so long between seasons stinks.
Comment #17 by Erin MarieMay 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pmI was wondering about Aaron eating, too. Then Jack asked Kate how Aaron was doing when they were on the raft, and she said, “He’s fine. It’s a miracle.” So I guess he’s just a miracle baby. I think I read that they used something like 30 different babies, boys and girls, to portray Aaron this season.
Comment #18 by kaduseyMay 30th, 2008 at 2:03 pmsome thoughts…
• sawyer told kate to take care of aaron
Comment #19 by tinaMay 30th, 2008 at 3:03 pm• whidmore is to ben what now ben is to locke. they are (or were, since locke is dead) in a battle for the island.
• sawyer is the true hero of the story. going back for hurley, following jack to the orchid, jumping out of the helicopter
• jack just makes a mess of things. has no faith. then tries to make up for it by believing and does the wrong thing.
• claire is dead. after miles’ comment to charlotte i think she might be dead too. or maybe the dead people can tell him what’s up with the living. but then, why would charlie want hurley to go back to the island if claire is dead? i’m confusing myself.
• please let faraday and jin be alive!
• maybe ben is one of the good guys?
I think Claire is dead. Really. I don’t know about Jin, though. I don’t much care about Faraday.
And Sawyer is the MAN. What a guy.
And what was up with Juliet’s hair this episode?
Comment #20 by Heather O.May 30th, 2008 at 3:17 pmno kidding re: juliet’s hair. wide barrel curling iron anyone?
and didn’t sawyer look awesome carrying aaron out of the jungle? i love him.
Comment #21 by tinaMay 30th, 2008 at 3:54 pmI loved Lost last night. What a good episode. Here are my thoughts.
I have a good, long lost friend named JEREMY BENTHAN Reeder. We went to USU together. I totally forgot that Bentham was his last name until last night. I need to find him to rub it in. If anyone knows who these people are, let me know. He lives in Las Vegas with his wife, Jennifer.
I loved the part where Sawyer called the helicopter guy, “Kenny Rogers!”
I also loved the Desmond/Penny thing. It was nice to finally have SOMETHING work out and make some sense. I hope they get to stay together.
Anyway, good episode. I can’t wait until next year.
Comment #22 by KatieMay 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI’m not sure what was wrong with my brain in the last post, other than I need to proof read. Bentham was his middle name, not his last.
Comment #23 by KatieMay 30th, 2008 at 3:56 pmTina - I think Sawyer told Kate to take care of his own baby, not Aaron. This was alluded to in a previous episode (in a flash forward) where Kate told Jack she was meeting someone and it was something Sawyer had asked her to do. The name was a women she had met before that we had seen in a different flashback (of Sawyers) that she had his baby.
All the connections between characters is so amazing.
Claire and Jack share a father.
Jack had met Desmond before the plane crash, before Desmond’s boat ride.
Sawyer had a child with a woman that had helped Kate escape the feds and talk to her mother.
The person who killed sawyers parents is Locke’s dad.
I am sure there are more I am not thinking of.
Comment #24 by VeritasMay 30th, 2008 at 4:44 pmKatie, weird! I wonder if I am related to him - my dad is a Reeder
Comment #25 by KrisMay 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pmSo glad you mentioned about Claire not being on the helicopter and Charlie’s death. Did they forget about that storyline or will it be addressed next season. The whole Locke/Bentham thing is just plain confusing. But I’ll put up with it so I can watch Sawyer and laugh at all his funny nicknames. I like that they made him to look like the hero this episode.
Comment #26 by JenMay 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pmWasn’t the raft with Faraday heading towards the boat before it blew up? Maybe Jin jumped off the boat and was rescued by the raft. But then they would all need to find another island to land on. And was that scene with Jin buying a panda for someone having a baby a flashback or a flash forward? I was confused about it at the time, and I still am.
Comment #27 by AlMay 30th, 2008 at 8:54 pmWe saw faraday and the other people on the raft when the island moved so yes they escaped the boat exploding. Jin buying the panda was a flashback. But I am still holding out that Jin is a live.
Comment #28 by HeathermommyMay 30th, 2008 at 9:25 pmRemember how in some clips that Michael couldn’t kill himself because the island wouldn’t let him (also how Ben was talking to Whidmore once and basically said that he can’t die and neither could Whidmore)…what if Michael and jin and the others that were originally on the island, aren’t dead, because they were at one time on the island??? Just a thought? But they have to stay hidden or something to make it seem like they are dead??? Also, I’m not sure that charlotte could have been born on the island, she would have had to be conceived off of the island, because all of the moms who get preggo on the island die…unless like Claire she came to the island already preggo. Hmmmm, yes indead, more questions then answers.
When does the next season start???!!!
Also I’m not sure that Charlotte could have been b
Comment #29 by JSMay 31st, 2008 at 8:15 amjin buying the panda was a flashback. i believe it happened right after he and sun were married and he started working for her creepy father. check out this site: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page they have a timeline for everything.
i’ll have to go back and watch the sawyer daughter episode again. but you’re probably right about what he said. as a mom it just didn’t make sense to me that they wouldn’t leave the baby with desmond and penny (on the safe, comfortable boat) unless sawyer said something about him before he jumped. that baby needs food, clean clothes, 2 naps a day, and 12 hours of sleep at night—not 9 hours on a raft in the blazing sun.
& aaron’s grandmother at christian’s funeral! she doesn’t even know he exists/who he is! this lie is too much!
i love faraday. just charmed by his quirkyness. since he’s the physicist who seems to know the most about how to go to/from the island maybe he’ll help the O6 return (if the raft didn’t “move” with the island? i hope his story isn’t over.
great show. better than any movie i’ve seen in the last 4 years.
oh, & stumbled on this site last night…. the mysterious kate phone call during the claire dream. http://getlostpodcast.com/2008/05/29/lost-episode-4×13–quottheres-no-place-like-homequot-easter-eggs-screencaps-audio.aspx
sorry this is so long!
Comment #30 by tinaMay 31st, 2008 at 8:22 amHoly Cannoli Batman!
I just finished the last 3 hours of Lost…
My thoughts: Ben says they all have to go back– including Locke– does that mean they are going to have to go find Desmond also so that they can go back? Does Ben know that Desmond got off the island?
In one scene Aaron was a little baby, and then in another scene Aaron is like 3-4years old?! Whats up with that? AND his little face when they were getting out of the water from the crash (as if!!) was priceless!
Then in the season opener this year Jack is wasted at the hospital and says to another Dr “lets go up and chat with Dr. Christian Shepherd” (or something similar) do you think what we could be seeing are alternate times?
This show is awesome… and just confusing because now we don’t know if we are seeing flash forwards (or what order the flash forwards are in) or flash backs. I think this season has been the best one yet!
Comment #31 by themotherboardMay 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pmYou are so right - I forgot about the whole Charlie must die so Claire can get on the helicopter thing. And I, too, think Sawyer was whispering into Kate’s ear about his own baby.
Comment #32 by MamacitaJune 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pmSo sorry you had to see the real Bentham. Ewww!
I would really be surprised if Sawyer was aware he had a kid out there.
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