By The Wiz
Yes, I read it. Yes, I enjoyed it. Yes, I had issues with it. If you want to chat with me about it, well then, by all means, continue.
Issue #1: Renesme. Stupidest. Name. Ever. I couldn’t get past it. Every time it was mentioned, I just cringed. I’m sure she was the perfectest, beautifullest, bestest half vampire EVER, but still, I shuddered constantly. I’ve written before how I’m a total name snob and absolutely hate the custom of making up names, and this one was the worst. I’m sorry, it’s such a weird Mormon thing to do, (Freakonomics will back me up on that) and I was really disappointed in Stephenie Meyer for pulling that trick. It did make me wonder what her kids names are, though. (If you know, don’t post it. Her kids deserve some privacy).
Issue #2: Ah, the convenience of it all. Whew! Good thing Bella happened to figure out how to use her shield right when she needed to. Whew! Alice just happened to find other half-vampires and bring them back right when SHE needed to. I would have liked the book to end with them not knowing exactly what will happen with the child-who-needs-a-new-name. After all, most mothers don’t get a window to the future when it comes to their children.
Let’s set up this HUGE fight scene and then, oh boy, we’re all such diplomatic vampires all of a sudden. And seriously? Jacob is not really a werewolf, but a shape-shifter that just happens to pick the shape that kills vampires? And Charlie is OK with this? (Maybe it’s all just a marketing play and she wants all the “Team Werewolf” people to buy new T-shirts that say “Team Shape-Shifter”.)
Issue #3: Length. She needs an editor. A good one. I know that once you hit NYT best seller list, (not to mention blockbuster status) the editors back off and give the author a lot more power over what comes out in the final product. But I felt like pulling out the red pen at times and making some major cuts.
Issue #4: Voice. Apparently Jacob thinks exactly like Bella. It was really difficult to remember that you were reading Jacob if you put down the book for a while and then picked it up, since their voices are pretty much exactly the same. I know it can be hard for women to write men (we think they think just like we do) and I didn’t think the shift was a good one.
Issue #5: ME. I had ALL these issues, and yet I read the whole thing cover to cover, and will probably read it again, and I might even recommend it (to an adult). I wouldn’t really consider this teen fiction, although I know there’s a lot written for teens that’s WAY worse. I’m completely inconsistent. What can I say? I wanted to know what happened next. So sue me.
My cousin’s issue: (keep in mind this cousin has a pin that tells the world she is Edward Cullen’s flavor) Edward just wasn’t in it enough.
Let’s chat.




Oh my gosh, the Renesmee thing just about made me throw the book across the room. What the heck kind of name is that? She only gets one chance to name a child and she names it RENESMEE?! And then, to rub it in, every line is like
“Oh, Nessie–I mean, Renesmee–”. JUST PICK THE NAME AND STICK TO IT. No waffling back and forth with nicknames, regardless of if Bella hates the name or not. Dumb dumb dumb.
I actually liked the ending, I was basically on the edge of my seat during the last third of the book. The almostwar was pretty freakin’ awesome.
But the rest of the book was super disappointing. Not enough drama. Jacob is just… why did we have to listen to him, again? And him imprinting on Nessie. Well that’s convenient, isn’t it?
Sigh. It just wasn’t what it could have been. I have never liked SM’s writing style, but her stories have always made up for that. This time I’m not even sure I can say that. Sad.
Comment #1 by KrisAugust 10th, 2008 at 7:59 pmI just couldn’t stop myself from reading this. Could you guys go private until I can get my hands on a (free) copy of the book? Okay, thanks. No willpower, over here.
Comment #2 by Jane @ What About MomAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pmAmen, and amen. There simply wasn’t enough conflict, to make it interesting, everything was a little too perfect. I found myself wondering how she filled up almost 800 pages of NOTHIING.
Comment #3 by SherAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:03 pmI’ve also thought I would like to hear an interview with Stephanie Meyer, and how she answers to question of Why a BYU graduate, who’s audience is clearly young LDS girls would put such questionable sexual content in her book.
I would love to hear her answer!
Yeah Wiz, I am with you. Even though I find SM to be a bit… dare I say, predictable… I couldn’t put the book down and I wanted to know exactly what was going to happen next.
I too, wanted to whip out my red pen and take out some ’slower’ parts that really didn’t give anything more to the story, just to get to the good stuff.
As for the winding up scene, there could have been more conflict, in my opinion. Did we really need EVERYONE to survive? I mean, give me a little more emotion. I know that sounds morbid… but honestly more ‘action’ and/or suspense would have been rewarding.
Which brings me to the next and final point. I am not sure how much ‘action’ I would have been happy with my 13 year old reading (If I had one). Enough about how incredible vampire sex is, WE GET IT! Truthfully, I am sad that we got to ‘it’ so soon in the book, couldn’t we have kept some of that passion going until the end, somehow??? That’s half the draw!
Despite the fact that Bella hated it… ‘Nessie’ was a WAY better name than Renesmee? Ugh… *full body shudder*
Comment #4 by 2boys1crazyMomAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:17 pmSo here’s my question: do you think the series is done or is she going to string it along with the Jacob/Baby angle? I don’t want to bother reading it until it is done. I am not a good wait-er.
My daughter thinks that this saga is over but that Meyer is going to write an extension series.
Comment #5 by JamiAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:23 pmOh, she’s writing the whole thing from Edward’s point of view. I just read the first chapter, because I was looking up other reviews and someone linked to it. I believe it’s on her website. It needs some serious editing, too. In fact, I don’t think I’ll pick up that book, but then, I get bugged when authors tell the same story over and over from different viewpoints. (Ender series, anyone?). I like DIFFERENT stories where I don’t KNOW what’s going to happen.
I’m sure she’s getting paid mucho bucks to do it, though.
Comment #6 by The WizAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:35 pmI actually enjoyed the book. It was slow in parts, and the renesmee name was a little bit too much, and yes I could has used some more Edward in it.
Comment #7 by ValerieAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pmSher-I did just watch a 10 part interview with SM on entertainment weekly, which she says-she did not write this series for teenagers, she wrote it for herself and her adult sister. So I would blame it on the marketing company that markets them to teens.
Here I just looked it up and I think this is the correct link. There are 10 videos, probably 1/2 to watch.
http://www.ew.com/ew/video/exclusives?lineupId=1155151521&videoId=1717903074
Just tried the link, it links to the first one and the others are on the side bar. I meant 1/2 hour to watch. Apparently I forgot to add in hour. It’s late, I’m tired.
Comment #8 by ValerieAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:39 pmI don’t think she is going to write the whole series from Edward’s perspective, just Twilight. At least that’s what I got from one interview I have heard a month or so ago.
Yeah, I think that’s true - that it’s only Twilight, not everything. I was wrong there. People want to see the meeting from Edward’s point of view. It’s actually really boring. Guess what? He can’t read her mind, he doesn’t know why, and her blood smells really good.
Comment #9 by The WizAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:42 pmI don’t think there was too much sex in it. There was hardly any sex in it. Please. Have you ever read any of the books out there? There was only the suggestion of it, which I think is okay. They were MARRIED. Married people have sex. I think it’s showing that having sex and enjoying it when you’re married is okay. Don’t enough people have issues with sex as it is? I think it was a healthy representation, besides the whole breaking beds thing. But I thought that was supposed to be funny.
Comment #10 by JulieAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:45 pmI also had many, many issues with it. I won’t even go into all those. The grammatical problems and typos drove me insane, but hey, it happens.
Julie, you crack me up. I have read a few of those books, and can see where you’re coming from. You reminded me of something else,though.
I think it’s hilarious that everyone is like “How SEXIST to write a book about a perfect guy and a flawed girl! If it was reversed, everyone would be screaming!” Um, hi? Stephenie Meyer did not invent that formula. It’s pretty much in every romance novel ever written. She can’t help it if you’ve never read one.
(Not that I’m recommending romance novels. I’m not a huge fan, but I have read a few - mostly on airplanes - then I stopped, because, well, I’m not a huge fan.)
Comment #11 by The WizAugust 10th, 2008 at 8:50 pmI’m on a personal protest against the last book. I felt I was completely sucked into the hype of the first three… even though I didn’t really enjoy them. I’m wondering when I’ll break down and give into the pressure though, just to see if it’s as bad as I think it is. Just like rubbernecking on the freeway to see a bad wreck… I think it’s about the same thing.
Comment #12 by AndiAugust 10th, 2008 at 9:05 pmWell I just finished it TODAY and I agree with those issues. My BIGGEST issue, however…was the moment I found out Bella was pregnant. WHAT THE???? Aside from the fact that vampires are fictional characters…there are still some “properties” that I thought Meyer ignored. “Immortal” (to me) means you don’t grow, produce, fertilize, etc. Vampires just can’t reproduce. I see where she tries to make it seem to work, but I HATED that. I hated how quickly the child grew, I hated the whole concept.
It also bothered me because it felt like it had that whole cutesy idea of “oh, let’s get married, and have a baby right away, and oh, isn’t she adorable, and everybody thinks my baby is the most beautiful, intelligent, special creature alive!” thing. Talk about fiction! Sheesh!
I am definitely more interested in reading Edward’s version of the “Twilight” time period though. That was a good story right there. Leave the child-who-needs-a-new-name out of it. That was just too dumb for me.
Comment #13 by KamiAugust 10th, 2008 at 9:08 pmI didn’t mind the whole Renesmee/Nessie thing too much. I saw it as it being Bella’s idea of a good name (okay, so Bella might have some judgement issues there), and that all the other characters thought it was too much, too. That’s why they started calling her Nessie. But then, you try not to call a baby something there mom objects to, so they tried to go back to Renesmee, even though they thought it was… well, not a great name. By the end Bella is calling her Nessie, too, so even she realizes Renesmee is a little over the top.
Oh, and her children are Gabe, Seth and Eli, so not too weird. (She lists them in the dedication to her third book, so it’s not like it’s a secret.)
Jacob’s and Bella’s voices weren’t that different, but it didn’t bother me too much. I was highly amused by the chapter titles in the Jacob section.
Everything was a little too contrived, but then again, I really like happy endings, so I’m not going to complain too much.
Like others have said, the books were not written for teenagers, even though they’re marketed that way. On the other hand, I’d have no problem with my kids reading them as teenagers. But then again, I read much worse as a teen (even a preteen) and I’m a big fan of not controlling what my kids read (except I’m a proponent of romance books being read only after your married, but that is, of course, personal opinion only).
I think the whole “not really a werewolf thing” wasn’t a big deal — they are werewolves in one sense (men that change into wolves). The point was just that they aren’t the same type of werewolves as Caius has tried to kill.
I also agree that Edward wasn’t in it enough. After the whole series being about Edward and Bella, this book was about Bella and Renesmee, and Jacob and Renesmee. Not only do we not see much of Bella and Edward, we also don’t see Edward and Renesmee (she is his daughter, though it’s sometimes hard to tell that from the book, since she seems closer to just about every other character).
And I too read the whole thing and quite enjoyed it, and will probably read it again at some point, because I like her characters. Thanks for giving me the chance to talk about it!
Comment #14 by VadaAugust 10th, 2008 at 9:26 pmSo “Dawn” had some problems. I am in coplete agreement with that. It was also WAY too long, but I happen to know that SM thought so too, and her editors would not give her enough time to do the revisions that needed to be done. (ah, the power of the almighty buck!)What I am most fascinated by, however, is the absolute power of a story that has engrossed as many people as this series has. The same with Harry Potter. Anything that gets teenagers reading, and excited about it, and everyone dialoguing about it is AMAZING!But why? What has set these stories apart for you? Any ideas would be great!
Comment #15 by ShelliAugust 10th, 2008 at 9:39 pmI didn’t like the portion of the book from Jacob’s voice. Drove me nuts. I’m with the rest of the posts on the issue of “Edward” missing from most of the book. It’s suppose to be about him and Bella. Not Bella and baby, baby and Jacob. But, like the Wiz, I couldn’t put it down. But I think I just wanted to get to the end and put an end to the series. I read it on a 11 hour drive. (Thank goodness I don’t get car sick.)
Comment #16 by AbbyAugust 10th, 2008 at 10:15 pmre: names
I once worked with a young woman named Skyler Blue Berry.
She wasn’t a vampire, to the best of my knowledge, but still pretty keen.
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Comment #17 by Thomas ParkinAugust 10th, 2008 at 10:16 pmYou pretty much nailed all of my complaints. The whole draw of Twilight for me was how believable she made this human/vampire relationship. This time around, I simply wasn’t convinced. Everything was just far too convenient. Her mom doesn’t freak out that she’s getting married. Her dad doesn’t freak out that she’s UNDEAD. A super-fast pregnancy and non-existent newborn phase! All far, far too convenient. And the ending way very anticlimactic for me. I don’t think the wedding/vampire transition should have been quite so close to the beginning of the story. The rest of the story wasn’t particularly compelling for me. And am I the only one who found the whole Jacob imprinting on vampire-child thing a tad creepy? And again. CONVENIENT.
Comment #18 by ColleenAugust 10th, 2008 at 10:27 pmAh…I had many of the same complaints. The ending for me was the worst part. The enemy has to disappear (think Voldemort) for a story to really end. It feels like something is still hanging there… like the story isn’t complete because the really bad guys are still out there.
Comment #19 by MelissaAugust 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pmAs for the name… I kept calling her “Resume” as in the paper you give to an employer to tell him how awesome you are… yeah. Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad name!
Kami - Yeah, that wasn’t really addressed now, was it? Because obviously vampire couples can’t reproduce, or else Rosalie would have had a kid by now, and it was also brought up that she’d be giving up having kids if she chose to be transformed.
SM also says people ask her all the time about the whole menstrual thing, if Bella smells different, if it’s harder for Edward to resist, etc, and her official answer is “ew, gross.”
Comment #20 by The WizAugust 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pmHooray! Someone besides me surfaced!! I was wondering what drivel I’d have to post tomorrow… Hooray for Wiz!
Comment #21 by Tracy MAugust 10th, 2008 at 11:02 pmThe problem with a series, is that you sometimes feel like you’re reading the same thing over and over. The author has to find a good place to stop. Like everyone else here, I wish more time had been spent with the vampire transformation and how “new” everything was. Going into Jacob’s POV was disconcerting because for well over 1,000 pages we’d been in Bella’s. But if someone were to ask me what the main plot point was in Harry Potter 3, I couldn’t tell them. I could tell them about #1 and maybe #7, but other than that, it all blends together. I loved reading THE HOST because it was “new” and refreshing. I don’t “buy” that an editor wouldn’t give Stephenie the time she asked to be reviewed. The actual WRITING was awesome. Way better than her first 2 books. The things everyone is complaining about are major plot points. This is Stephenie’s story and we are just the readers. Changing those would have gone against her creativity–an editor wouldn’t have asked her to do that. Yes, the author is long-winded, so I just skimmed those parts. I do that with other NY Times Bestsellers as well.
Comment #22 by Heather MooreAugust 11th, 2008 at 6:19 amI agree with several of the comments about he convience of it all, but how is that different than the other books in the series? I mean, seriously, a girl who is shy and a little socially awkward, while not ugly, not a a total knockout either, gets the most perfect, and gorgeous man in the world to fall in love with her, not because she has an amazing personality, or they have so much in common, or they understand each other in ways no one else does, but just because of how she smells? Plus he turns out to be rich?
To me, written for the teen audience or not, the romance in these books has always been a teenage ideal of love. I liked reading it because it made me remember when I used to believe that love had to be totally dramatic, forbidden and even somewhat painful to be desirable.
Comment #23 by TammyAugust 11th, 2008 at 7:22 amAmen about the name. I think I choked a little when I read it. And I agree about the voice thing - as near as I could tell the only difference between the two was that Jacob cursed more.
My biggest issue was all of Bella’s post-partum activities. I recently had a baby, and felt like laughing out loud. Hunting wild beasts in an evening gown and making love all night, three days after giving birth? I know she’s a vampire now, but come on.
All in all, though, it was a fun read. Plus, I really just needed to find out how it all ends.
Comment #24 by MichelleAugust 11th, 2008 at 7:59 amDear Steph,
Please fire your editors and let someone with grammatical knowledge edit ALL of your books before you re-release them in a set. Sometimes I wonder if your editors actually read your books. And for the love, could we change Renesmee to Elizabeth, Edward’s biological mother’s name? Also Jacob’s book needs to be about half as long. He’s frustrated. We get it. And at the end of Breaking Dawn could you please add a little more collateral damage? It’s just a little tidy. I mean does Rosalie really have to live? OK what about the rest of the witnesses? A few are expendible right? Or one tiny Volturi or three?
Thanks,
Randa
(I wish)
Comment #25 by randajoyAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:04 amI picked up the book and read it for what it is…..A book for teenagers! Since that is the case I really enjoyed the book, I did not try to analize it,or re-write it the way I thought it should go. It was a easy entertaining read…..exactly what the author was trying to do.
Comment #26 by HeatherAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:18 amYes, yes and yes. The names stinks. Like nails on a chalkboard. I liked Jacob’s part actually. I was getting a little sick of Ms. Bells. I wanted a little more fighting too at the end. Sort of a hurry up and wait sort of ending. The all night vampire sex bugged me. Not for teens, Ms. Meyers. It was tastefully done for an adult audience, but I wouldn’t want my teen to read about it. Anyway, the weirdest thing for me was the bizarre baby child and the imprinting. Could we at least wait until she is a little older for the imprinting stuff. Kind of creepy. All in all, I kept reading too because I am a dumb 17 year old at heart as well and a bit of a sucker. Sue me.
Comment #27 by KatieAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:22 amI haven’t read the last book, but the complaint about Bella’s daughter growing too fast isn’t a very valid one if you have ever read any other vampire stories. Anne Ricedeals with that issue. If you are dealing with supernatural creatures, growth rates are going to be different.
Comment #28 by TiffanyAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:24 amI agree with your issues 1 & 2. What I did like about the book was that once Bella was a vampire, she was suddenly an equal to Edward - no longer the clumsy, breakable girl that needed to be protected at every turn.
Comment #29 by berzerkcarrottopAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:44 amI am a nerd and started a discussion blog all about this book. It wasn’t my favorite but had no big quams about it….and seeing as how I’m too lazy to post what I wrote just come and check it out here (along with others reviews)
www.readitdiscussit.blogspot.com
come one. come all.
Comment #30 by EricaAugust 11th, 2008 at 8:45 amI have so many issues with these books, I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t. I’m just glad to know I’m not the only one!
Comment #31 by mellocelloAugust 11th, 2008 at 9:11 amAnne Rice deals with that issue.
Ann Rice’s vampires do not have sex, and they don’t grow, change or get older. They cannot procreate- they are dead, their spirits inhabit an immortal body, but they are dead.
Comment #32 by Tracy MAugust 11th, 2008 at 9:29 am*Yawn*
(Sorry, that probably is a guy thing.)
On a serious note, I’m not going to nit-pick a book that made the author a millionaire - especially since I have no desire whatsoever to read it. (Again, probably a guy thing.)
Comment #33 by RayAugust 11th, 2008 at 9:31 amTracy M– It’s been 15 years since I read an Anne Rice book, so I could be remembering wrong, but I seem to recall one of the books (not Interview with a Vampire) where Lestat has sexual encounters. Regardless though, my memory is not perfect about the books. And heck, it could have even been a different author or whatever! But I don’t think the issue of a supernatural child growing at a different rate is that strange, given various aspects fantasy fiction.
Comment #34 by TiffanyAugust 11th, 2008 at 9:56 amI don’t have an issue with the growth rate, I thought it was kind of cool in a “wow, the parents have to deal with a special needs child that nobody can give them any information about whatsoever” kind of way. I was looking forward to them dealing with that, and I was hoping they would do more than just worry all the time.
I WAS bugged that we so conveniently found out that she too would live forever, after only 8 years or so of childhood.
Comment #35 by The WizAugust 11th, 2008 at 10:03 amTiffany- sorry if you felt I jumped on you- I didn’t mean to! I’m just an Anne Rice fan.
Anne makes the act of drawing blood a highly sexual encounter, but none of the vampires bodies work like a mortal body does. In Tale of the Body Theif, Lestat switches places with a mortal for part of the book, and during that period, he could have sexual encounters. But never in his vampire body.
Comment #36 by Tracy MAugust 11th, 2008 at 10:36 amI think some of us are forgetting that this is FANTASY. Babies can grow as fast as they want, and humans turning into vampires can heal from delivery as fast as the author says. And I realize this is controversial, but I think it’s healthy, even good for teen girls to know that married sex can be awesome. Especially LDS girls who are told their whole lives that sex is bad, but have a hard time understanding that one little ceremony makes it ‘good’ and expected. I think we need more writers like Stephenie to promote the idea that married sex is wonderful and lovely.
But the baby’s name is so bad. And I felt like Bella’s voice totally changed from the last 3 books to this one. From the very beginning of the book she felt like a different character completely. That’s what I didn’t like.
Comment #37 by JewelsAugust 11th, 2008 at 10:49 amI’m so happy to find that there are other women who have as many problems with this book as I do! I’m so glad my dear friend referred me to this site! I was never that into the other 3. I thought they were fun and sometimes interesting stories. Like another poster said, I never got what made Bella so great. She just bugs me. In fact, I’ve never disliked a main character more than I dislike her, especially after reading Breaking Dawn. And I’ve read a lot of books from a lot of different genres.
What bothered me most (aside from Bella’s inability to just enjoy something without drama and complaining) was not just how conveniently everything worked out, but that there weren’t any of bad or even difficult consequences to Bella’s choices. She chooses to marry a vampire, to become a vampire and in doing so will supposedly lose her human family as well as many of the unique qualities and feeling of being human. Not only does she get to become a mother to an immortal child, but every other last bad consequence to her actions worked out perfectly for her. Was there a single thing that didn’t go her way?
*She didn’t have to deal with the whole newborn-transition of being crazy and out of control.
*The wolves are fine with her being a vampire since Jacob imprinted on Renesmee, treaty is a-ok!
*She still keeps her relationship with her dad, no real questions asked by him.
*Her mom is fine and even excited with her getting married so young
*She doesn’t have to deal with Jacob being broken hearted and keeps her “best” friend
*She is able to enjoy every benefit of being a vampire right away, her sexual appetite is the only thing she really seems to struggle with.
*Everyone prepares and is ready to die for Renesmee against the Volturi since it’s obvious the Volturi want a battle and there isn’t even any kind of battle. Everyone is able to restrain themselves and go back to their merry vampire lives.
I could go on, but what bothers me most is that Meyers is the one who sets up all the consequences. Some of them actually occurring could have made the story so much more interesting and realistic (realistic for it being a vampire story). I think it was lazy and cowardly writing in how conveniently she had everything work out for the characters. It really was just an uninteresting fairy tale with a perfect happily ever after. That’s just the tip of iceberg on why I HATED this book. I actually felt stupider after finishing it.
Comment #38 by TrishAugust 11th, 2008 at 11:13 amOne more note:
Don’t discount the negative power of a publisher’s deadline. John Grisham’s first few books are MUCH better than most of his middle ones - and those generally share one common trait. You can tell exactly where he started to hit his deadline, since - in each case - the wrap-up that should have taken about 200 pages happened in about 50. It also was obvious when he started putting more effort back into finishing a plot fully. His latest books are far better than ones in the middle.
Perhaps she writes differently, as many writers I know do - by free-association with the editing occurring as the final effort. Perhaps her deadline short circuited that final part of her normal process. I have no idea, since I couldn’t care less about the book itself, but I do know that happens quite often to writers. (the deadline negatively impacting the final product)
Comment #39 by RayAugust 11th, 2008 at 11:27 amPretty much agree with you on all points. Especially that stupid name. I was satisfied with the ending, but I wish at least one of the evil vampires had died. I mean, really. All that build up to . . .NOTHING.
Comment #40 by KarleneAugust 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pmI stopped reading after book #2. I’m so glad you all have saved me the time and effort of having to read books #3 &4. I couldn’t possibly read another word of her dribble. Although, her dribble has made her a very wealthy and popular woman!
Comment #41 by Melissa McAugust 11th, 2008 at 1:45 pmI sometimes wonder why all we can do is make negative comments. Yes, it was predictable, yes everything turns out wonderful. No, I did not like the name, or even the mushy Edward at times. I actually loved the end, when Bella was able to let Edward read her thoughts, and they were beautiful thoughts of the ONLY person she would ever love and share her life with. I think it is great that Stephine had the courage to use her values to write good things, not bad. IE, sex after marriage, not before. I think it was mostly done in a tasteful way, not graphic. Maybe it was our own imaginations that got carried away. Good old fashioned values. Thanks Steph, some of us enjoy those values.
Comment #42 by VanceAugust 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pmDon’t hate me, but I loved the book.. except the name Renesmee. That was awful and I never got used to it or the nickname Nessie, either. These books have always been good fictional entertainment and nothing more… I did hear that SM wanted a “warning” of some sort on her book jacket letting people know that she felt it was for ages 16+, but it didn’t make it through the final printing. I liked the switch over to Jacob’s perspective (even though it could have been a bit shorter) and I laughed out loud at the chapter titles for Jacob’s part. There were some “plot” issues that seemed a bit weird, but in a fantasy world such as this, don’t you pretty much have creative license to do whatever you darn well please? And I also LOVED the end where she figured out how to share her thoughts with Edward… I love the idea that she can choose to do it whenever she wishes, but he doesn’t have free reign in her head. Shoot me… I love a happy ending!
Comment #43 by christyAugust 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pmFor the most part I liked the book. Didn’t love it, but I didn’t really love any of them. To me they are just easy fun reading that shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Mostly nothing really bothered me that much, except, as others have said, the name Renesmee.
Comment #44 by aprilbAugust 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pmOne think that stood out to me, and this isn’t so much a complaint, as it is an observation, is how easy motherhood is for Bella. Seriously, she doesn’t have to deal with any of the crappy/hard stuff. Renesmee can communicate(no wondering what does my baby want/need), doesn’t cry, and seems like a pretty even tempered child (come on, she has super human strength, lets at least see some destructive tantrums). Also, she’s got like 2 full time-nannies (Rosalie and Jacob) and a host of other people helping take care of her, make scrapbooks, and keep her dressed in the latest styles. Honestly, all Bella ever does is play/cuddle with her a little ever once in a while. It wasn’t clear weather or not the wonder baby was already potty-trained, or if she just didn’t have those “human moments” but even if she did, Bella would have never had to lift a finger because so many other people were taking care of Renesmee for her. So, no diapers, no postpartum body, no sleep deprivation and no lack of sex drive (side note: there is nothing wrong with a married couple spending all night making love). Anyway, enough of that rant, but for a mother of a toddler and a baby, Bella’s version of motherhood was the most unrealistic aspect of the book for me.
Overall, I liked it. I loved some of the convenient things. I had no idea what to expect and I was totally surprised with the pregnancy! At first I thought the sex was turning her into something, and I was happy she was pregnant. It definitely made me hate Rosalee, though. I was happily surprised when Jacob imprinted on Renesmee. I HATED her name as well. HATED. I laughed SO hard when Bella freaked out that they nicknamed her little girl after the Lochness monster. Funniest thing ever. I was a little disappointed that Bella didn’t have a harder time with the newborn vampire stage. A little struggle would have been nice. I also felt like there was no connection between Edward and Nessie, it was like Jacob was taking the father role. And I was pretty bored the last 100 pages. So much build up and then NOTHING. I agree, we needed more action when they were up against the Volturi. Oh, they were too scared of Bella’s super powers. Whatever.
Comment #45 by ErikaAugust 11th, 2008 at 5:21 pmI didn’t think the sex part was inappropriate, I think that it’s less sexual than Eclipse! I mean, sure there is actual SEX in Breaking Dawn, but it’s not as sensual and detailed, it’s like, oh, let’s have sex, and they do. Which I think it good. I could just see all the teenagers out there getting so mad that they were robbed of a great sex scene. Really, talk about feeding the fantasies of young virgins! Sex isn’t incredible ALL THE TIME, maybe married vampire sex is, maybe I should find me a vampire…
I liked the book.
I want to be a vampire.
Oh, sure, I had some problems and disappointments with Breaking Dawn, but heck, I figure one day, when I write MY bestseller, people will be telling me how much I suck and should change the way I write, too. I mean, it comes with the territory, eh? Write a story, somehow find someone to publish it, make millions of dollars, realize all your harshest critics are reading the books within 2 weeks of their releases (must not hate the books THAT badly!), and keep on writing.
That’s what I’d do.
Comment #46 by cherylAugust 11th, 2008 at 5:55 pmWell, I just can’t leave this one alone today. Perhaps I am avoiding the laundry or the dishes…oh, well. Anyway, there were things I liked. I did like that post-vampire Bella was waaaay less annoying. I liked how she could finally experience life with her husband and married life appeared to be way better then single life…which is nice to see. I liked the Jacob part. I was glad to hear someone else tell part of the story. I liked her “power.” If I could have a power, that would be a good one. The power to protect, pretty cool. I do like Ms. Meyers. I give her props for writing the books. She deserves all the accolade she gets because it is hard, and she appears to be really enjoying herself. Ok, now back to normal life.
Comment #47 by KatieAugust 11th, 2008 at 6:34 pmOf course there were many annoyances in the book, many of which have already been mentioned, but the book was fun and enjoyable and something to escape to for the 12 hours it lasted. When I picked it up it was with full knowledge of what may disappoint me; so my expectations were low. Personally the only things worth talking about are the potential false impressions, and dangerous relationships that young people are being exposed to in the book. I wouldn’t ban this book from any kid… in fact I would encourage young people to read it just to open up discussion about the issues they would be exposed to in the book. Like, the unhealthy relationship between Edward and Bella or the inappropriate friendship of Bella and Jacob after she is supposedly committed and then married. The sex should also be discussed. Kids should understand that sex isn’t that fantastic ALL the time (especially the first time on their honeymoon, good grief! get real!)—- and doesn’t happen all night every night. They should also understand that that physical connection shouldn’t be the basis of marriage, like it is with Bella and Edward. Anyway, lots to talk about with your young readers.
Comment #48 by JennAugust 11th, 2008 at 9:09 pmMaybe I’m giving her too much credit, but I thought the baby’s name was actually Stephanie making fun of crazy made up names. All the rest of the characters hated it, so it seemed like subtle mockery to me. Maybe I just wish it were so since I hate made up names for real people.
I enjoyed the book, but that’s because I had no expectations. It was nothing more than wish fulfillment fantasy, but since that describes the entire series, eh. Didn’t bother me. The lack of a real conflict at the end was kind of dumb, but that’s about my biggest complaint.
Comment #49 by FirebyrdAugust 11th, 2008 at 11:29 pmI liked the name Renesmee. :p
Comment #50 by EAugust 12th, 2008 at 5:45 amFirebyrd - I LOVE that! I’m totally going to think of it as mockery now.
I think people are forgetting that I started the post by saying I ENJOYED the book, and that even though I had all these issues, I still bought it, read it, and will read it again.
Comment #51 by The WizAugust 12th, 2008 at 10:49 amWiz-
Thank you for the clarification. I guess I’m just getting tired of all the criticism the Twilight Saga is receiving –all be it deserved! As a hopeful novelist, I cringe when I read harsh criticism about a process 90% of people don’t understand or will ever understand until they go through it themselves, you know? Writing is the easy part –getting people to publish (let alone, love!) your writing is the hard part. Harsh Writing World, it is…
fwiw-
Comment #52 by cherylAugust 12th, 2008 at 10:59 amI hated the name Renesmee, too, and Firebyrd, you have saved my sanity by mentioning the mockery! Interesting concept…
cheryl, yes it is a harsh writing world. And if your book gets published, there will be people who love it and people who hate it, and most people will be inbetween. There’s really no way around that.
There isn’t a book out there that some people don’t hate. Bad reviews are part of the deal. You just have to hope more people like it than hate it, which, judging by the sales, is where Stephenie Meyer is right now.
I would LOVE to write ONE best seller, let alone 5 HUGE bestsellers. And if some people don’t like it? Oh well. I’ll be laughing all the way to the bank.
Comment #53 by The WizAugust 12th, 2008 at 11:30 amSpeaking of convenience–I was disappointed with SM’s explanation for why Bella was such a laid-back newborn vampire. She just happens to have the GIFT of self-control??? Come on, give me something a little more supernatural than that. I kept thinking we were going to find out that Renee was half-vampire or something. Isn’t she mysterious? And totally left out of this book, as well as Emmett and Jasper.
As a mom of a newborn myself, I’m with #24 Michelle–the whole new parent thing was WAYYYY too easy for Bella and Edward. Hope teenagers don’t read it and think, “Hey, I could have a kid if it’s that simple!”
Am I the ONLY person who liked the name Renesmee???
Comment #54 by normal mormon wifeAugust 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm[…] There’s been some discussion on names due the the last Stephanie Meyers book, which I just refuse to read because that’s all anyone can talk about and I just don’t like to read books when they’re so popular. I’m strange I know. […]
Pingback #55 by Is It Naptime Yet » Blog Archive » Kid affects and other thoughts.August 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pmseriously, people are not bothered by the fact she is all bruised by sex and begs for more? I know, I know it was not Edwards fault, he was just too powerful to overcome it. Try sitting in a counselors seat and hear men say the same thing “the anger took control of me, I could not help it. I was drunk, the alcohol took control of me” I do not consider myself a prude, and am very liberal in the things I read/see. However I have serious issues with the idea that a women left in a broken bed, full of bruises, could have enjoyed it so much that she begs for more. Hardly a healthy portrayal of sex in my mind.
Comment #56 by marenAugust 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pmIt’s a fictional vampire book. It’s not supposed to be a realistic model of how humans should live. Non-vampires would not have Edward’s excuse. He was horrified and went to great lengths never to do it again–and he didn’t.
Comment #57 by Sara RAugust 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pmThere is a fascinating review over on Paradox’s blog. She is a high school senior, and I seriously recommend it - not because I agree (having not read the book), but because it is a truly interesting take.
I tried to include a url, but apparently that didn’t fly, so go to templeboundparadox dot blogspot dot com. It’s the most recent post, entitled “Because Paradox believes in happy endings”.
Comment #58 by RayAugust 12th, 2008 at 9:56 pmI really enjoyed all the books. I just looked at them as an escape from every day life. I do wish there was a little more drama in the last book including the ending and Bella’s transformation. I also wish there would have been more of Edward and less of Jacob. But overall I liked them and will reread them all.
Comment #59 by stephanieAugust 12th, 2008 at 11:06 pmEveryone keeps mentioning the name Renesme, but I haven’t read a comment yet about the second, awful name melding linked with this vampire child. Her middle name is Carlie….a mix of Carlisle and Charlie…..ugghh!!
Comment #60 by kellyAugust 13th, 2008 at 7:12 amCarlie is cute…like carlie simon. I like it a lot. Of course, I would spell it Carly, but that’s just me.
Comment #61 by mellocelloAugust 13th, 2008 at 8:36 amI’m with you on most of your points - especially the name. But mostly I just try to forget all my objections and think “this is a fairy tale - it’s supposed to be all neatly wrapped up with a bow on top. Of course it ends conveniently.” The point is it was a thrilling read that added some flavor to my life for a day and a half.
Comment #62 by NancyAugust 13th, 2008 at 9:28 amThroughout the Twilight series, I have been vehemently opposed to Bella becoming a vampire. I started Breaking Dawn knowing that when the (inevitable) transformation took place, I wouldn’t like it. I have to hand it to SM for creating a compelling reason for Bella to transform. I was okay with it considering the save-the-baby circumstances.
It’s a fun read – I enjoyed it. It also was the catalyst for a great discussion with my 18 yr old daughter about sex. Because we were talking about the book, she wasn’t embarrassed about our conversation and I was able to point out some important aspects about the subject. Yes there are problems with the book, but any author that can get people reading and discussing books gets my applause.
Comment #63 by JanAugust 13th, 2008 at 12:38 pmOne of my main issues with the book (besides the whole Renesmee thing) was how EASY it was for Bella to become a vampire. After the intial burning, searing pain… yadda yadda… she is all self-control and basically skips the whole “newborn vampire” phase. I thought that was pretty convenient (along with a bunch of other things).
Comment #64 by Honey MommyAugust 13th, 2008 at 2:52 pmI agree with everything your wrote. As an Edward fan, it needed way more Edward and a much stronger, protect his family Edward instead of a pained, weak one.
Also, Bella magically becomes this confident, amazing woman who still annoyed the crap out of me.
And, don’t get me started on the whole imprinting thing. YUCK!
Comment #65 by JaniceAugust 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pmYes, little baby loch Ness’s name sucks. I hated it. Shoulda gone with Carlie. Bella’s dad though, guy is an idiot. I have always thought so. What kind of guy goes fishing the minute his daughter comes to live with him? Wake up dude, no wonder she became a vampire. Look at her mom, Bella spent all her life being the adult, no wonder she was drawn to the Cullens, they must have seemed so wonderful to her. The series wasn’t perfect, but it kept me interested. Although. one. more. sentence. like. this. was. going. to. push. me. over. the. edge. You get the idea. My 13 and 15 year read it. It was a great chance to discuss married sex. As well as some of the more adult concepts. SM is an engaging storyteller. I look forward to reading more from her.
Comment #66 by pollyAugust 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThe Jacob part started off great in my opinion. The voice was right on for a teenage boy and was hilarious. However, the voice fell apart as his section went on and it sounded more and more like Bella. It seemed like she had a hard time advancing the plot while keeping up the teenage boy perspective. Let’s hope that Twilight from Edward’s perspective doesn’t share the same problem!
Comment #67 by BelleAugust 14th, 2008 at 5:33 amIssue #1: I completely agree. The author is more creative than ‘Renesmee’. Ick.
Issue #2: I expected (and wanted) a big fight for freedom in the end. Did get it…but it should have been there.
Issue #3: the length wasn’t so bad for me. At least I was captivated enough that it didn’t bother me.
Issue #4: Really? I guess I need to go back and read that part of the book to see what you mean…I missed that.
I wanted more Edward in the story, and I wanted a big fight. I’m quite intrigued with Jacob’s imprinting to Renesmee, and how that will play out. Really, there could be another saga in the making just with those two characters.
Overall I enjoyed the book, but it was not my favorite. There are hundreds of reviews on www.goodreads.com that are interesting to read, too. A lot the the authors fans were really upset that it didn’t end the way they wanted it to, or they disliked that fact that Bella was no longer weak and volunerable when she turned ‘vampire’.
Thanks for your review!
Comment #68 by Sister AlohaAugust 14th, 2008 at 8:04 amI liked The Host.
I have no interest in reading Breaking Dawn. Unless I go on a plane again.
Stephenie Meyers is gonna be like, a gazillionaire. I doubt she cares much about what we are saying, and, even if she did, like the Wiz said, feedback is part of the business. You gotta be tough skinned to put a novel out there.
I believe the pressure/editor/ not enough time to revise thing. J.K. Rowling complained about that with her fourth book, which is by far the most unwieldly and choppy of the series. I still stayed up all night to read it, though.
So although the book sounds a little lame, I say you go, Stephenie Meyers. Way to be a writer.
Comment #69 by Heather O.August 17th, 2008 at 9:08 amGlad to see I’m not the only one with the issues on Breaking Dawn. I actually stayed up until 3:00am reading it, and when I was done, thought, “hmmm. I totally could have put this down and come back to it in a week, because I was not engaged at all.” Nobody dies but Tayna? Nobody? No epic werewolf/vampire battle?
And how in the heck do you pronounce Renesmee? Why not name her Renee Esme Cullen? Why even name her after Renee, anyway? She’s never going to meet her.
If I ever re-read the series, I’m stopping after Eclipse.
Comment #70 by LindsayAugust 19th, 2008 at 4:23 pmI have some of the same issues with the book as you did. Why does everything have to be so happy go lucky? Any conflict any of the characters had was resolved so easily. I was doing okay with the book, I felt like the violent sex was a little much, but it was mostly okay. Then Bella became pregnant and it all seemed so absurd after that. I did like that Bella’s “power” was to protect her family and as a mommy you would do anything to protect your family. I was definitely hoping for something a little bit better. I still love Edward though.
Comment #71 by BethAugust 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm[…] Mormon Mommy War’s the Wiz reviews Breaking Dawn. […]
Pingback #72 by What About Mom » Blog Archive » Eat, Drink, Vampire, Bella: a Review of The Twilight Saga by Stephenie MeyerAugust 25th, 2008 at 11:21 amJust get over the whole Renesme thing; she just wanted her thought to be one-of-a-kind baby to have a unique name.
I don’t think it was a bad series, but after you write a series like that you can’t ever stop writing more books because there will never be a good end to them.
And about the twilight movie…Why did they cast the characters so badly? Edward is supposed to be super attractive not ugly, and Taylor(the guy playing Jacob) is way too hot to play Jacob…did anyone else realize how he is in the kids movie Shark Boy and Lava Girl?…..UGH!!! I am not going to see it. EVER.
Well, I am pretty annoyed with SM because no guy is that perfect so I am totally losing hope. Maybe some hot vampire will want me someday…..
Comment #73 by Sydulia (Sydney and Julia)August 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pmi think that Bella’s daughter, Renesmee is a beautiful name for a vampire. It’s unique, and who cares about names? Jeez, next thing you know people will be pissed that Edward’s last name is Cullen.
Who cares? (Well, i actually kinda do, Edward’s name suits him soo much (L) ) Now, about the movie, I think thatin some scenes, Robert Pattison is perfect for Edward, and other…a little less so, but rarely ever.
While watching the trailer, i saw the scene where Edward shows Bella his room for the first time, i absolutely adored it when he turned her in a dance move way instead of kissing her, i thought it was adorable.
Now, why can’t you people just be happy with the book? Picking at all of the little details like Bella’s daughter’s name, well, it’s not like SM is going to read all of these comments and change her book just cuz a couple ppl don’t like it. So what’s the point in commenting on this thing?
Well, i know im commenting too, but just to prove a point. Im not losing hope in the movie, i think that some people were casted perfectly, like……everyone!! Bella and james and Edward and Alice And Carlise And Emmett and Jasper and Esme and all of Bella’s friends and everything!! Perfect. Robert is a true vampire and has his role perfectly done, you can’t even tell that he’s actually british! (Ya he is, he was a guy in harry potter) I think that it was done very well, and that’s my opinion.
-Nessie
Comment #74 by RenesmeeAugust 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pmThis may be morbid, but after Bella got the paperwork for Jacob and Renesme, I was ready for the battle to ensue and everyone except baby and werewolf to go to their fiery ends. I would have been just as satisfied with that ending as the one that took place. That’s where I think SM made her one flaw - I quit caring about the characters. On the other hand, I would seriously hate to try to write the “final” book of any series. Both SM and JKRowling have had a difficult time with it. Series books are a challenge and I think SM did an okay job of it. Notice I’m choosing to ignore the whole name thing…cough, hack, grimace.
Comment #75 by runmommyrunSeptember 1st, 2008 at 9:18 amYes, the name, Renesmee Carlie Nessie…..bad bad move.
The one thing that still bothers me about the WHOLE series is the concept of a teenage girl, giving up her life for what she thinks is eternal love. In all the books, we still do not know why Edward fell for her, she smells good?
I think the series would have been stronger and wrapped up better, if the tension between Ed and Bella and Jacob remained, with Bella NOT getting everything she wanted. What teenager does and lives happily ever after, with monster baby in towe.
The voice was lost in this book, the characters and Eddy must have been zapped into orbit with another Vampire in his place.
The love scenes were embarrassingly amusing, the pregnancy, let’s not go there, and the delivery! I’ve heard of dad’s cutting the u-cord, but to snap it off with teeth? The whole Jacob/Ed keeping her body temperature?
What happened to Carlisle? Did he get stupid all of a sudden? He couldn’t figure out that she needed a sippy cup with blood to keep her alive?
In summary, I won’t be buying anymore of her books, I don’t think Ms Meyers was into this book at all. The editors failed her so did the publisher for not preparing her for the success or her writing.
I hope teenage girls everywhere, do NOT look at this and think, they need to give up their identity for some man.
Comment #76 by LauraSeptember 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pmI enjoyed the first 3 books and so did my teenage daughter. We both think Ms Meyer is great at storytelling and I was caught up in the possibilities of the Bella/Edward relationship from the start. In BD something went wrong with the writing. It was an exciting, twisting plot line but I can’t count how many times I laughed out loud or rolled my eyes because somethings were just too weird to take seriously even for vampire-fiction.
For example:
The threesome with the pillows on the honeymoon, broken headboard and begging.
The incubus myth to explain how the pregancy occured. An incubus is a male demon who attacks women in their sleep. What does that have to do with Edward and male vampires?
The fast-forward pregancy with the bone breaking, blood slurpee drinks, and especially how Edward and Carlise seem to lose all medical knowledge or sense. They just stand in the corners of the room, look anxious and wring their hands. The whole Cullen family seemed to become hollow and unnatural acting by part 2 of the book.
Jazz and Em? My daughter and I both thought two new vamps were being introduced, where did those nicknames come from?
I can see why the second part of the book was written in Jacob’s voice, he seemed to be the only one with any common sense left out of the bunch at that point.
Even after the marriage I thought Bella spent way too much time mooning over Jacob and should have been more focused on her relationship with Edward, especially with the pregnancy freaking him out.
The birth was really gross and the baby biting Bella right out of the womb with Edward saying, No, No we don’t bite, comments was almost too much for me.
After Bella was changed, her ability to control her desire for blood was all a little too easy. Especially when the human Bella could hardly walk quickly without tripping up.
THE BABY - The name? I spent 5 minutes just trying to pronounce it. The baby was just plain creepy to me, I kept thinking “Chucky doll”. The Dr. Spock mind-melt ability plus the super growth and perfect behavior with adult-like intelligence was over the top!
Jacob imprinting on the baby? Sicko
All the vampires witnessing and the build-up to the big battle that fizzled out because of Bella’s Star Wars cloaking ability, that saved the day, was sad. (may the force be with you) Even in Eclipse we at least got a fight out of the vamps and wolves.
J. Jenks? Why did we even go down that road?
In summary, for me the book lacked the characters, relationships and personality written about in the first 3 books. I found this book too much about Bella, Jacob and Nessie. I was hoping for a book written about the blossoming feelings and newly married connection of Bella and Edward.
Sorry Ms Meyer can’t go back and take the time needed to really put out the story she is capable of writing.
Comment #77 by SamSeptember 6th, 2008 at 12:42 amHello I believe that stephanie meyer’s saga is very good, nevertheless I not it for which it put this name “reenesme” is UGLY.
Comment #78 by marianaSeptember 10th, 2008 at 7:34 pmNot since himit was not possible to seeing another thing happenedBut, at my 13 years I understand obviously everything, and I am charmed with it, always I have to finish rapidly of reading the books for which I cannot sleep well…
And I die for being going to see the movie, and almost I die when I find out that the movie is going to have the premiere in November!, obvious it already is a news and also I believe that it was not bad that was putting parts of sex, believe that it made her more exciting, at least for my, and not on the morbid part, if not as that they had Reneesme. And he was a father love they have daughter, though initially not. I say it for edward.
At least to quí in méxico, or rather in queretaro, the majority expects to see the saga, I believe that it is going to be brilliant , hope that I do not get disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I sit it for the lacks of spelling am with the translator
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okay, i’ll start at the beginning. twilight was good, bella didnt annoy me too much- she was a likeable mature heroine, not some bratty teenage girl that you find in a lot of YA fiction. lots of people complained about the first person narrative, but it didnt really bother me, the book had a page turning quality about it thats quite rare. there were a lot of flaws though- firstly, they know each other all of two weeks and suddenly “you’re my life now”. slightly melodramatic. also edwards perfection didnt really bother me in the sense that SM needed it to balance the negative aspects (in that he wants to eat her). overall i’d give it a generous 7/10 , stephanie meyer should have left it here or a sequel (like she first planned) at the very most.
New moon, quite frankly, bored me. i didnt like bella in this one - far far too damsel in distress-y. at the darkest point in her life how does she recover - by latching herself onto some other male to obsess over. the supposed love of her life leaves her, and a couple of months later she’s in love with someone else - yeah right. overall i give new moon a generous 4/10.
Eclipse bothered me to no end, bella irritated the hell out of me in this one - soo pathetic. she was whiny and annoying and disloyal, any respect i had for her in twilight diminished. and her ‘love’ for jacob negated her feelings for edward in my opinion, especially at the end. jacob irritated me too, but i never really liked him in the first place. i wouldnt call edward abusive, thats too strong a word - but he does overreact, unnecessarliy. Overall a generous 6/10.
okay breaking dawn. honestly i dont really know what to say - it was weird. it was definitely overlong. but the biggest thing was the happily ever after - it wasnt moving or poignant in any way. i like happy endings but this was just too - cringeworthy. i mean (im a hypocrite because i hate it when people compare Harry Potter and twilight saga, but anyway)Deathly hallows ended on a happy note - but you were satisfied by the end of it. it sounds morbid, but harry had suffered enough so that you feel he deserves a break. i just didnt feel that here - the final battle scene with the volturi? what a cop out -all that build up and then - oh well maybe later. renneesme. crap name - too perfect. not at all realistic with the concepts of motherhood. sex scenes - im not really that fussed, there was nothing graphic and i wasnt expecting there to be. the biggest problem in my opinion was the fact that this is supposed to be bellas story, and meyer robs us of like the biggest part of her life - bringing a child into the world. it would have been good reading through bella’s perspective - seeing it through the mothers eyes. instead we get jacob - he is soo annoying. bella’s closeness to him at the beginning was also sickening - i was on leah clearwaters side. youre a married woman - act like it. i thought the circumstances of her being transformed into a vampire were good though. overall a generous 4/10. would have been better as a sequel to twilight without all the jacob nonsense and waffle of new moon and eclipse.
Comment #79 by munaOctober 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pmI really enjoyed this book. It was my favorite out of the Saga. I really did hate the name Renesemee but I understand how she came up with it. I liked her middle name better though, Carlie, why couldn’t that be her FIRST name? I liked Jacob’s voice, but I needed him to be around the Cullen’s more. Who cares about Sam &nd Leah &nd the pack…(except for Seth, he’s cool.) I’m team Switzerland, now and forever, but this book made me want to hate the werewolves, excuse me…shapeshifters! Imprinting on everything, omg. On a baby? What happened to that one cute girl he met at the park? Ms. Meyers, what sense did that make in introducing a character and pulling her right back out, is the girl ok? Did she get run over by a car, kidnapped, turn into a frankenstein? That’s all that’s left in Hollywood. Vampires, check. Werewolves, check. Frankenstein?
Comment #80 by Ayanna CoatesJanuary 9th, 2010 at 11:56 pmOk! Renesmee is an stupid name.But THATS Stephine Meyer’s ideas.It was her choice to be creative.I really love the series , but THE DEMON CHILD almost ruin it. Bella could have died. But its not real the story.Even though the book is popular but somehow why did Alice brings that J Jenk guy? He isnt important.Then Quil and Claire, who cares about the imprinting stuff.Thats just wrong about him.That is too for jacob. Ok ‘’the volturi'’ now is very crazy. Aro killed his own sister all because of loved.The Volturi wanted an war they got an war.But they ran away back to Volterra.Then they killed Gianna for no reason they needed her she worked there so she can be one of them.Jasper… wow all i got to say is that who cares about Maria and her group.Rebecca and Rachael NOT IMPROTANT. Who cares about if they’re jacob’s sister.They werent really part of it at all.The volturi arent even bad at all. Drinking blood is what they do to make them not starve.Alec doesnt even say in the book. But luckily u can found out online. Esme… suciding? wow. All because her baby died.She cant control herself? You dont need to die because an baby died. NOW EMMETT story is stupid as hell. Emmett was playing with an bear. BEAR I SAY. Why on earth would someone do that? Idiots i tell you.Rosalie story is actually sad to me.Her jerk husband Royce King do that to her. I have these kids in my class reading that abd they goto me tell this stuff. Next its about leah. Leah really needs to get an hobby and forget about Sam.Leah angry of course but cant she like find someone else.Sam is an bigger idiot.He kind of still liked Leah even though hes marrying Emily.Hes messing with two cousins that would ruin the family.Paul is quiet better than sam.I WOULD SAY Paul should be the leader.Charlie is okay with it? His daughter marrying an vampire and was suffering while pregnant?Jacob was so silly to imprint on Renesmee that makes him like hes fooling around with kids.Alice she was one of my favorite character.But as human she was i dont know mental! She was stuck in rooms for years until they thought she was ready. Renee gets back with Charlie amazing.Left him once could leave again. You never know. Thats all i got to say about it.
Comment #81 by janeFebruary 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm