By Heather O.

1. No. To agree would be to condemn those in poor health of not doing what they should be doing “to avail themselves of it.”
   Consider all the health problems suffered by innocent children. Two children in my neighborhood born with weak immune systems come to my mind. They will have lifelong health issues, and no amount of righteousness, no amount of strictly following the Word of Wisdom will change that.
   Good health is a blessing. If you’ve got it, you’re lucky.

   Comment #1 by UDOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:26 am

2. Aw, you changed your post while I commented! Your original question was “Is good health a priviledge available to all Latter-day Saints who avail themselves of it?”

   Comment #2 by UDOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:27 am

3. Sorry UD. I thought my original question was too wordy. I think your comment stands as a good answer regardless, though.

   I was thinking about this because somebody brought it up in Relief Society yesterday. I didn’t speak up, because I didn’t want my personal agenda to derail the meeting, but I wanted to see what other people thought of this idea. Thanks, UD.

   Comment #3 by Heather O.October 20th, 2008 at 7:32 am

4. When you say “privilege,” I hear right. As is, we are owed it. So keep that in mind as I answer, and if I misinterpret your question sorry.

   We have a right to nothing. Everything we have is a gift, a blessing (to quote UD), and we should be thankful for it. To think we are owed anything is a prideful mindset. In fact, that is a lot of what is wrong with our country today. People feel that they are owed things.

   What we do have an expectation of is that Heavenly Father WILL absolutely always keep his end of a covenant. So when we keep our end, we know that he will follow through. So now the question is, “Why do I get sick if I keep the Word of Wisdom?”

   I can’t really answer that completely, except with the idea that perhaps we don’t understand all of the promises we are given in it.

   What we can be assured of is that Heavenly Father loves us deeply, and good health is a blessing to be very thankful for, and bad health is an opportunity to grow stronger for everyone involved.

   Comment #4 by DaveOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:39 am

5. I don’t even understand the question. How could it be a privilege?

   Comment #5 by Susan MOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:44 am

6. A number of years ago there was an add for shoes that claimed to ensure you would “run your fastest, jump your highest.” I think that is what the WoW does for all of us–maximizes the possibilities with what we individually have.

   Comment #6 by Marjorie ConderOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:50 am

7. For right now, in a fallen world where dangers surround us, and in a fallen nation where too many citizens are barred from any access to health care, yes, it’s a privilege, and no, we can’t all avail ourselves of it. We do have the promise of the Word of Wisdom in general terms, but like all other gospel promises with a temporal dimension, it is notuniversally available, any more than living close to the spirit and heeding promptings universally spares the righteous from being hit by drunk drivers or takings seats on airliners that are slammed into skyscrapers.

   Comment #7 by Ardis E. ParshallOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:51 am

8. Huh, I don’t understand the question either.

   Heather, could you explain just a bit more? Are you asking if Latter-day saints have the right to expect lifelong good health?

   Comment #8 by AhnaOctober 20th, 2008 at 7:52 am

9. I know that because I took a candy from the ‘donate for children’s hunger’ box at the grocery store when I was 9 I will have cancer/disease/die.

   Hold on. What the heck and I saying?

   I can see how certain health issues can be avoided through obedience. After all how many people who live the law of chastity have to deal with STDs? Not that many, this shows that sometimes our choices can affect our health. Still, I believe some people are given physical frailties or weaknesses for a reason. Whether it be a trial of their faith, or a trial of their families, things are not meant to be rosy. We go through sorrow that we might know joy.

   Comment #9 by RebeccaOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:06 am

10. I think that it all depends on how you are going to define “privilege”. Defined as a right or freedom, I don’t believe the Latter Day Saint has any inherent right above that of the rest of the world’s population.

    However, if we are talking about advantages and opportunities, then, yes, with the Word of Wisdom, we have a greater opportunity to achieve better health and the advantage of prophetic revelation in regards to how we treat the body/gift we have been given. We receive more blessings from obedience than others who mistreat their bodies. These may be blessings of good health, or the building of our testimony through obedience.

    That said, my understanding is that good health in mortality is neither a guarantee nor a promise. That guarantee and promise (given to all mankind, regardless of their religious affiliation or righteousness) lies with the perfected and resurrected body.

    Comment #10 by JuneBugOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am

11. I don’t usually haul out the dictionary, but I’m thinking there’s some confusion here about what privilege means. So…

    Privilege: a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/privilege

    So, no. Definitely not. Good health is not a privilege to anyone.

    I’m going to get all suspicious here, now, and jump to the conclusion that, when it was brought up in RS, the implication was somewhat along the lines of, “Oh, if you just live righteously and have faith, you’ll never be seriously ill,” right?

    And again, I say, No! Definitely not! Obeying the Word of Wisdom and living righteously can certainly help to protect us from many ills and troubles, but will not protect us from all of them. Trials of any kind, whether from illness or anything else, are necessary and important. The Savior himself had to suffer - if He needed to go through adversity, how much more do we have a need for adversity? And if the Lord sees that you need a particular trial that can only come to you through illness, well… *shrug* Make the most of the learning experience.

    *steps off soapbox, dusts it, and puts it away*

    Comment #11 by JenniferOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:29 am

12. I’m feeling a little random this morning, so here are some random thoughts.

    My daughter reported a couple of weeks back that she was the only child in a gym class of about 50 junior high kids that could touch her toes. And these are not obese children.

    Sure, good health can be a privilege and even a right based on following correct principles. On the other hand…

    My son has a severe congenital heart defect that has been partially palliated with two out of three surgeries. Palliated means that the surgeon can’t fix the problem but that he did a work-around which will allow my son to live with blood that goes straight to his lungs and a right sided only heart that will pump all the blood to his body. He will always have the effects of years of cyanosis (low oxygen in the blood) and the significant possibility of heart failure now or later (seems to happen to some of these children around puberty) and the possible need for a heart transplant, with all its attending complications.

    I spent months after the pre-natal diagnosis wondering how I had sinned to have this happen. (And in included in the definition of sinned, I wondered if I had exposed my baby to some chemical or whatever.)

    Turns out this condition is widely accepted to be genetic. I got over wondering what evil I had done, but it wasn’t helped by a well-meaning ward member telling me that if we all had enough faith, the baby’s condition would miraculously go away. Could happen, I know, but that was very offensive to hear and I still haven’t felt quite so warmly toward that ward member since then. (Yeah, I can hold a grudge with the best of them. )

    By the way, how are your kidneys doing?

    Comment #12 by ResearcherOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:37 am

13. imho: EVERYONE is or should be entitled to good health, good health care, simply because they are all children of God. No one should be denied.

    Comment #13 by s'meeOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:51 am

14. Well, we can do all we can, and good health can still side-step us.

    You know, like my friend who has (had) a black belt in Karate (or was it that Tai Kwon thing?), was a runner, ate nothing but good healthy organic food, cleaned with nothing but safe organic cleaners, and now is living without her large intestine and has Crohn’s disease.

    Or my healthy friend who had a baby with heart disease. Or the marathoner who got breast cancer.

    S’mee is right: Everyone should be entitled to good health care. But that doesn’t mean it happens. Try telling that to my friend who’s epidural went wrong, paralyzed her leg permanently (and other things: she can never have children again), sued the system and lost (and just in case this is going somewhere else, changing the system isn’t going to stop this thing from happening: humans still make mistakes).

    Good health is definitely a blessing.

    Comment #14 by cherylOctober 20th, 2008 at 9:14 am

15. No.

    We live in bodies of clay in a fallen world. Things happen. Cells merge improperly, the double helix sometimes pulls one out of left field. It’s just part and parcel of living here in physical bodies.

    Of course we must do all we can to take care of our bodies, and we have our guidelines for how to do that, but there is no entitlement HERE. Next world? Whole different story.

    Comment #15 by Tracy MOctober 20th, 2008 at 9:18 am

16. of course not. many, many, many righteous people have had health issues. look at president spencer kimball who suffered from throat cancer for years. and look at all of those people who make poor choices and are in perfect health. god loves us all the same. i do not believe in any way he uses health issues as a punishment or even as a reward.

    Comment #16 by cornnut32October 20th, 2008 at 9:26 am

17. For a little more background on the story, the teacher was talking about the privileges that are granted to us as Latter Day Saints. The first one was Peace Of Mind, because through prayer, God can tell us if the choices we are making are the right ones for us and our families. I was totally on board with this, having had experiences along those lines myself. Another one cited was, of course, the gift of the Holy Ghost, which goes along with Peace of Mind. Through our baptism and confirmation and continued obedience to the principals of the gospel, we are entitled to have the Holy Ghost as a companion, which included all the blessings therewith.

    The next bullet under privileges was “Good Health”. I went, “Huh?” And a woman next to me muttered, a little louder than I did, “I don’t exactly think it is worded in such a way.” The teacher then said, “Well, I define good health as being able to run and not be weary, and walk and not faint. These are things that are promised to us in the Word of Wisdom.” I looked at the woman next to me, a mother who nearly lost her daughter this year to leukemia. We both sort of shrugged and let the lesson go on. The teacher was a person who has completed many athletic events, triathlons, marathons, whatnot. I understand from that perspective, there are steps that one can take that can guarantee good health: rigorous and regular exercise, healthy diet, and avoiding substances that can be harmful to your body. All of these things can benefit everybody, but it doesn’t guarantee good health for all, especially when we are talking about incurable diseases.

    Anyway, I was a bit confused too, which is why I’m throwing it out to y’all.

    Comment #17 by Heather O.October 20th, 2008 at 9:53 am

18. Good health is a blessing, but I wouldn’t call it a privilege.

    Comment #18 by AmyboBamyOctober 20th, 2008 at 9:57 am

19. I probably would’ve spoken up if I’d been in the class and derailed the lesson.

    Comment #19 by Susan MOctober 20th, 2008 at 10:37 am

20. I think it was the apostle Paul that said he had a “thorn in his side” that the Lord hadn’t seen the necessity to remove. I think there are many trials in this life to test us, to test how we will react to them. Some people get health trials, others get money trials, others get well, on and on. I think if we are obedient to the best of our ability then 1)we’ll be able to handle what is thrown at us or 2)we’ll be relieved of things we can’t handle.

    Comment #20 by mormonhermitmomOctober 20th, 2008 at 11:09 am

21. Um yeah, I would definitely have derailed that lesson. Good health is a blessing, and those of us who aren’t grateful should be. But then again, I think being fat is a blessing. In disguise.

    I’m not that person, who can sit still while, those who can only see their side of life, make ignorant comments while teaching. So I speak up. And I’m sure there are others who wish I’d just not say anything, but I just can’t.

    Comment #21 by chronicler/robynOctober 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

22. I believe that good health is a blessing. I believe that by following the word of wisdom, we can decrease the likelihood of developing certain ills (cirrhosis, lung cancer, heart problems, etc.) That said, following the word of wisdom is not a guarantee of a life free from problems. People who have never smoked get lung cancer. People who have never tasted alcohol have liver problems. People who exercise regularly develop heart problems. I think that following the WoW can help, but I also think we were put on this earth to experience trials. There has never been a guarantee that being righteous means you won’t have any problems.

    Comment #22 by Molly DoeOctober 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

23. No, but it’s a right.

    Comment #23 by AzucarOctober 20th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

24. So Molly are you saying that my 6 month old boy was not blessed because he got parainfluenza that scarred his lungs and now at 2 years old he’s on oxygen 24/7? I think we have to be careful in assuming what is a blessing, and what is just life.

    He obviously did not do something to deserve this? WofW is not even a part of my son’s situation.

    To be honest I don’t really even believe that the main purpose of the W of W is to keep us from getting diseases. I think the main purpose is so that we do not become addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, coffee, food. I think that you cannot have the relationship with our Heavenly Father that we are supposed to have, if we have addictions that we are slaves to.

    Comment #24 by SarahOctober 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

25. I’ve been thinking about this question all morning, and then got more food for thought when I came back and read the comments before commenting.

    My instinct would be to say that no, it’s not a privilege, but it can be a blessing to most of those that follow the Word of Wisdom (what the teacher was getting at if I’m following, right, Heather?)

    I would feel uncomfortable saying that “good health is a right” like I saw when I skimmed the comments, primarily because of situations like that of the woman sitting next to Heather in class - a child (or self) with cancer or other illness not contracted by living against the W of W. If we say “good health is a right”, are we also inferring that God may be denying those with cancer or other serious illness with a “God-given” right? Too contradictory for me.

    Maybe the commenters were trying to convey that good healthCARE is a right?

    Comment #25 by Julie POctober 20th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

26. Uh, Sarah, Molly said that good health was a blessing to be grateful for, not that people with illnesses deserve what they have, or that all illness comes from disregarding the Word of Wisdom. That your son survived his ordeal and that oxygen treatments are available is also a blessing to be grateful for — heck, I don’t even know him, and I’m grateful for that, and that he has a mother who takes care of him and defends his honor!

    The teacher’s statement was terribly narrow-minded and showed a lack of experience and awareness and compassion. The teacher is healthy, but from what she said, it sounds like she’s patting herself on the back for deserving health because she follows the WoW. Ouch.

    Comment #26 by Ardis E. ParshallOctober 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

27. Ardis, I re read her post and again there is nothing about it being a blessing to be greatful for. Just that it’s a blessing. The problem with stating that good health is a blessing, is that many many people have poor health and it has nothing to do with how they lived there lives, and when your talking about children, they often were born with whatever is wrong, it is not a blessing or a curse or a W of W issue at all, it’s just life.

    I say this because we should all be careful when we say that things are a blessing, you may be speaking to someone who has lived an honerable, rightous life and did not “recieve” that blessing.

    This is coming from someone who has well meaning people say things that stung. I do not harbor resentment or anger at people, but thought this would be a good reminder to be careful what we all say and how we say it.

    and really telling someone whose child is chronically ill that the treatments he has is a blessing (whether it is or not) really is not something that makes you feel better. That is something that stings. I would much rather he not ever have gotten sick.

    Comment #27 by SarahOctober 20th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

28. Sometimes nothing we say is right and we should keep our mouths shut. Sorry, Sarah.

    Comment #28 by Ardis E. ParshallOctober 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

29. Your teacher defined good health as “run and not be weary, and walk and not faint. These are things that are promised to us in the Word of Wisdom.” I am actually teaching a lesson in Young Women’s next week on this very topic, and have been doing a lot of scripture research and cross-referencing from counsels of the Prophets. I think we tend to misconstrue that statement in the Word of Wisdom.

    For example, we are promised “health in our naval and marrow in our bones” should we follow this cousel, but my own mom follows this counsel and has a form of Leukemia, which is a problem with her marrow. After researching, I believe that “naval” is a likely reference to a center point, indicating that as we follow this counsel we will have Christ as the center or our lives, and our “marrow” is our nutrient rich food and nourishment, so if we follow this counsel we will have Christ as our life sustanance and He will nourish us as we need. This is indeed a blessing, and one that my mom will certainly need to get through her trying health troubles.

    Further we are promised wisdom and hidden treasures of knowledge. Again, this could be literal in many cases, but think like the scriptures do and apply it to the spiritual realm: we must comply with the Word of Wisdom to get a temple recommend, and the temple is where hidden treasures of spiritual knowlegde can be revealed to us, so by following it, we do indeed gain the opportunity to become wiser, learn secret truths, and become more prepared for exaltation.

    Next, we are promised to “run and not be weary and walk and not faint.” Again, could apply literally, depending on the person. But for ALL who follow this counsel the spiritual sense applies: this portion was actually covered when I was in institute in college. “Run” refers to our “life-race.” This section promises us that as we do these things, and show our obedience to the Lord, we will be given the strentgh to make it through our trials, to endure to the end, and that we will have the energy and strength-through Christ-to make it to the end, uplifted, edified and strengthened. I don’t know about you, but sometimes life sure gets hard and it is TIRING! That this is a promise made to me, that I will have the strength to make it through, is the best promise I can fathom on some days.

    These spiritual blessings of spiritual “good health” and fortitude, of wisdom and strength make sense. They can and will apply to all who obey this counsel. And in verse 21 we are promised everlasting life if we obey. Our promise from the Lord is not of a temporal nature so it makes sense to me that the belssings referenced in passages 18-20 are also always true in a spiritual sense, and sometimes may also be true, on an individual basis, in the literal physical sense.

    I hope this helps. Your teacher was doing her best as an individual to interpret teachings as we all do, but perhaps failed to see the greater spiritual references and implications.

    So in answer to your questions, YES, LDS saints do enjoy the privlege of good health: the blessings of good spiritual health and strength can be ours if we obey.

    Comment #29 by AlyssaOctober 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

30. Sarah–

    I’m going to tread lightly here, but I will say that I think there was nothing wrong with what Molly said. Good health IS a blessing. And your son didn’t get it. Neither did I. And therein lies the crux of this discussion. The point of blessings is that you don’t always earn them–they are bestowed as gifts. For whatever reason, there are those of us who didn’t get this gift. Just like some of us didn’t get the gift of fertility, or the gift of tongues, or the gift of (insert favorite gift here).

    But that doesn’t mean your son isn’t himself a blessing to you, or that he hasn’t been blessed in other ways. I don’t know you or your son, and I’m only going off of your comments, but I am quite certain that he has other gifts besides the ones we are discussing here. Not having good health doesn’t mean he (or you) have failed in any way. In fact, I think what we are saying here is that teaching such a thing is a complete fallacy and could be dangerous false doctrine.

    Comment #30 by Heather O.October 20th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

31. I agree with AmyboBamy and s’mee (and perhaps more, I haven’t read all the comments) - good health and healthcare are rights, not priveledges. Regardless of any and all the labels and conditions we put on our “brothers and sisters”(religion, race, socio-economic status, etc.) Not being smarmy there, just pointing out that many times, the FACT that we’re all brothers and sisters escapes people’s opinions on this kind of subject. What we do to the least of them, right?

    This subject is near and dear to me because my husband has been chronically ill for years and we’ve seen and run the gammut of the healthcare system: not having coverage, not having enough money to cover the co-pay, all the emotions that come up for both of us, people’s unfounded and unkind opinions, etc. I am a firm believer that the basics of life (food, shelter, healthcare… and love) should not be denied anyone.

    Anyway, that’s my opinion on the matter.

    Comment #31 by MaddisonOctober 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

32. Does anyone actually believe that obesity or heart disease is lower in Mormons? I saw a study on cancer in eastern Idaho (majority mormon with nuclear power sites) and the rate was close to the same as it was nationally. I would expect lung cancer may be lower but heart disease higher from all of the high fat ward parties. We as mormons think the four food groups are pizza, pie, ice cream, and doughnuts. Just kidding but thats what they ate in my ward the last time we got together. If we actually lived the word of wisdom beyond the tobacco and alcohol portion we may be healthier but that really isn’t part of our lds culture.

    I do agree with Alyssa that it tends to be more spiritual in nature. Especially since any nutrition advice we get comes external from the church.

    Anyone teaching the word of wisdom should be mindful of the mixed message we are sending our children and our nonmember friends we invite.

    Comment #32 by Joe AOctober 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

33. Maddison, I think we are discussing more the fact that some people think that following the WoW automatically entitles them to good health as a privilege. Many people, probably yourself included, have not had that kind of experience and the fact that you discussed chronic illness follows that logic.

    Healthcare and the right to access it, is a completely different topic and one that is very volatile for people.

    Comment #33 by TiffanyOctober 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

34. Good health is blessing, but not privilege. Righteousness guarantees neither.

    And from my ill health, I’ve received many a blessing (OK, a lot of them were, heh heh, *priesthood blessings* a well person doesn’t seek, but I’ve gotten lots of the other kind as well). I would love love LOVE to be well. I would not love to relinquish the compassion and empathy being sick has lent me.

    Comment #34 by JanetOctober 20th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

35. Here’s my question for people who believe that good health is a right. I keep thinking about this.

    If you do not have something that is a “right”, someone or something denied you that right. For example, Americans have a right to education (at least in the youth). If a child is not educated in their youth, someone denied them that right.

    If you have PKD like Heather or cancer or something else serious, who denied those people their right to good health?

    Comment #35 by Julie POctober 20th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

36. Tiffany ~ Perhaps I mis-stated that having good health is a right. I was more making a general point on how I feel about the issue in terms of knowing what it is like to have very poor health (in the case of my husband) and so deeply wanting all of us to enjoy good health and not be denied that based on what religion one belongs to, etc. (not that that’s necessarily the case, just that I wouldn’t want to even imagine this to be the case.)

    If I understand correctly, then no, I don’t think that simply obeying the Word of Wisdom entitles or guarantees one good health. Yes, it lays out major things that we can/should/must do to honor our bodies as temples of the Lord, but it isn’t a promise against cancers and diseases, etc. Or am I wrong?

    And I see that healthcare is a different topic, it didn’t seem inappropriate to mention it because there was talk about rights vs priveledges in regards to health.

    Comment #36 by MaddisonOctober 20th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

37. Maddison, thanks for your reply. The only reason I thought healthcare was off topic was because it doesn’t specifically relate to the religious aspect that is being referred to. I liked how you discuss the right to good health.

    To me the idea that good health is a privilege or right for the Latter-day Saints is repugnant to me. Because then it implies in a subtle way that those who do not experience good health must be disobeying the Word of Wisdom. So many faithful members, including myself, follow the Word of Wisdom but yet experience the challenges of chronic diseases. And what about all the people outside of the church who commit to good health practices by eating well-balanced meals and exercise regularly? Are they denied good health because they aren’t members? I think that is ludicrous.

    Comment #37 by TiffanyOctober 21st, 2008 at 7:27 am

38. The Word of Wisdom promises very specific blessings for following specific commandments. I think we have every right to expect those blessings. For example, if I abstain from addictive substances such as tobacco and alcohol, I expect to be free from the complications that would arise had I chosen to indulge. When I am following the Word of Wisdom guidelines to a healthy diet, I can expect to have more energy and my mind is clearer. By practicing obedience, I can expect to have the companionship of the Holy Ghost and am therefore more likely to gain wisdom and find great treasures of knowledge. The diseases and health problems that have been discussed are definitely not results of disobedience. I would venture to guess that Heather, by observing the WofW is avoiding a plethera of complications and therefore is reaping the blessings the WofW has to offer.
    Remember, those who pay tithing are not all millionaires, but they all have the right to the blessings that are promised if obedient to this principle.
    Blessings come in all shapes and sizes, but they all count.

    Comment #38 by wbprawOctober 21st, 2008 at 9:02 am

39. Alyssa, thanks for sharing those insights.

    I get touchy about people calling things “blessings” when I don’t have them and think I deserve them too. I’ve studied, and my attitude is rooted in D&C 130:20-21 (”there is a law upon which all blessings are predicated”) and D&C 82:10 (”I, the Lord am bound when ye do what I say”). My misinterpretation of those scriptures is that I’ve thought that I get to pick out which blessings I want, and then just live the associated commandment. It’s treating God like Santa Claus. I’m a good girl, so I get the toys I wanted.

    I’m trying to switch my attitude to believe that God not only gets to pick out the commandments, but he gets to pick out the blessings he gives me for obediently following those commandments. God is bound to bless me for my obedience, but what he thinks is a blessing isn’t what I always think is a blessing. I’m mulling over the idea that a blessing is anything that brings me closer to God, and that means a trial is a blessing because I turn to God in trials. A blessing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s something that makes my life easier, even though that is the most popular definition of a blessing.

    I have to trust God that he has my best interests at heart. Trusting God is hard, because to me, it’s so obvious which blessings I need in order to be happy! But God knows what will make me eternally happy, and that’s not necessarily what makes my life easier right now.

    When I hear a lesson like Heather O describes, I realize I’m listening to someone who still thinks God is Santa Claus. There’s a lot of that in the Church.

    Comment #39 by MelindaOctober 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm

40. Melinda–i love your perspective on this. I totally agree with you that blessings are given to us according to our needs (in God’s view) not our wants or what WE think we need. A blessing is something that brings us closer to God— I LOVE that! I need to go write that down now.

    Comment #40 by mellocelloOctober 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pm

41. Melinda, well said.

    Comment #41 by KatieoOctober 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm

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