By whatserbucket
I realize I’ve been largely absent around here for a great long time, but I do pop in and lurk occasionally and couldn’t help but notice that several of the ladies at MMW had been having some hard times earlier this summer. I couldn’t help but have the “AMEN, SISTAH!” light go off while reading some of the posts from the last months and wanted to state my solidarity in struggling. I know our struggles are all different but there is a common tone to a woman struggling and it resonated with me in several posts.
With that…
Here it is July. I sit on my bed having gnawed away more of a chocolate Easter bunny from my closet. The rabbit and some of his basket-mates have been carefully stashed, rationed, and doled out as emotionally necessary since April. I’ve fallen behind in the routines of my life, I’ve distanced from friends and family. I haven’t posted on this or my family blog since before the daffodils bloomed and my facebook page would be covered with cobwebs if such a thing was possible. I just haven’t been feeling it. Or much of anything else, really. Depression strikes again.
It’s such an insidious companion. Like a thick tarry mud clinging to all of your extremities. It will bring you to your knees and make your heart rend.
Numbness and apathy are the main components of my depression, with flecks of raging temper and acute sadness thrown in. It’s an intricate blend of miseries that range from unfortunate and inconvenient to paralyzing. At times it builds to a point where the whole thing topples and I collapse, feeling as if my soul is vomiting.
Every now and again I manage to convince myself that I have shed the lead-like cloak that I’ve been lugging around for 15+ years and will not again be in its grips. Then something hits - childbirth, illness, a move, a death, tragedy, a long dark winter or even “smaller” stuff and BAM. I am again immobilized and fighting for breath in the battle.
So, in emerging from another deep patch of “stuck”, I declare - perhaps into the vacuum of space and mostly to myself - that depression is real. It’s real and it sucks. It’s real, it sucks, and you can’t always fix it yourself. Eating your weight in chocolate is not going to make it go away (though it sure seems to take the edge off in the moment). Beating yourself up is not going to help. Most of the time you can’t pray/fast/run it away.
I realize that this topic gets played out quite a bit with Mormon women, but I think it bears repeating that being held to high standards of womanhood can be difficult. It can wear you down and lend itself to feelings of inadequacy and failure. So I guarantee when you’re at the playground, the grocery store, the school, and yes at church that you are not the only one feeling the weight of depression on your shoulders.
So (and again I say this even more to me than to you) let us renew our attempts at being gentle to ourselves. Recognizing and accepting our foes for what they are can be useful and empowering. Sharing the realities of our struggles can be validating to others and can be fertile ground for our own growth.
I’ve had several occasions lately to talk to other women about some of the issues surrounding depression and I know that isolation can be dangerous. If you are struggling please do what feels impossible and reach out (that can mean to a friend, a leader, or preferably - a trained professional). Do it for your kids and those around you but above all, please do it for you.
As a post note, since writing this in July and then tucking it away and not posting it, I’ve known of three suicides within one degree of separation of my family. If someone you know is struggling, please err on the side of caution and seek professional help.




Thank you from all women Mormon or not. We all struggle with the balance of life and if we are doing it right and doing it well enough and just feeling stuck in the moment. I have had this feeling a lot lately. Thank you for your encouragement to reach out to someone for a hand to pull myself out of the muck.
Comment #1 by BetsyAugust 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 pmSo what do you do/say if you know someone’s life sucks in a very real way, but she doesn’t know that you know so many details (learned from her relative who’s also in the ward). Do you just invite her out and away from her situation and avoid talking about her rough life or do you say, “I heard your life sucks. Do you want to talk about it?”
Comment #2 by JESAugust 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pmJust be kind. Be truly kind and allow compassion to be your guiding light.
whatserbucket, it’s so good to hear your voice. I hear you on every word- especially the “it felt like my soul was vomiting.” I almost ran out of church today when the lesson in RS turned into an “Us” vs. “Them”- measuring us again women outside the Church. I felt ill. We are commanded to love- and I don’t know another woman anywhere, Mormon or not, who needs to be compared or judged.
I’m sorry for the losses you’ve had…
Comment #3 by Tracy MAugust 23rd, 2009 at 6:47 pmJES–One time I was really struggling (had just moved, had a new baby with PPD, etc) and my RS president noticed. She just did little things like inviting me over for lunch, dropping by, etc. I didn’t open up to her as much as I probably should have, but it would have totally freaked me out if she’d come right out and asked me about it. And you may want to ask the relative to tone down the talking about other people’s problems, then you won’t be in the awkward situation
Anyways, I was going to say the same thing as previous comments. It’s always a message that needs to be said–depression is real. I’m having another baby in February and I already know recovery from delivery is going to be rough, so I’ve told several good friends and my husband to watch out for me and to please help me get help if I need it. Last time I had a baby things got really yucky for nearly a year afterwards and I didn’t even recognize it until after I was starting to do ‘better’. It can be hard to figure out the right way to compasssionately help, though.
Comment #4 by FoxyJAugust 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pmJust let them know you “give a shit” as when someone is depressed they truly feel that nobody in the world cares most of the time.
Comment #5 by AprilliumAugust 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmBeen there, done that. Bought the T-shirt. It’s a crappy T-shirt that needs to be thrown away, but somehow, it’s always in the bottom of the drawer, waiting….waiting….
I would emphasizer her points of be gentle to yourself and to others, and also, that isolation is dangerous.
Comment #6 by The WizAugust 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pmThanks for the post. I’ve been realizing just the last week or two that my crazy emotions are not just the normal pregnancy ones I’ve experienced in the past. Even just talking a bit to my doctor about it made the situation seem more manageable, and knowing someone else was going to help me watch it made a difference. That being said, I echo the need to not drop into isolation, but the temptation is so great. We just moved and it’s much easier to float by in a huge ward than make an effort to be noticed and include myself.
Comment #7 by janeAugust 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pmAmen.
Comment #8 by mormonhermitmomAugust 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 pmOh, thank you, thank you for this post. I wish I didn’t understand. I too convince myself sometimes that the lead cloak (or Wiz’s crappy T-shirt) has finally been torn into rags, then something happens, and oh, look, everybody, I’ve been wearing it for months and it’s filthy. When I’m in that place, my brain tells the most horrendous lies. And I believe every one. I’m truly not capable of asking for help. I believe no help will ever be available.
I really wish somebody would notice when I’m having trouble. I’ve even dropped hints, but apparently not strongly enough. Just someone who says, “Hey, it looks like you’re having a rough time.” Even an anonymous note in the mail would help. A lot. Because when I’m in real trouble, I can still fake it for a long time. But the signs are there, and they’re very obvious.
I’m really glad you wrote and posted this, whatserbucket. Just now I’m doing fine, but last spring was dark. I wanted to write a guest post begging for help. But it was too much work. Next time I find myself wearing the crappy T-shirt, I’m going to try to come here and read this again.
Comment #9 by AhnaAugust 24th, 2009 at 5:47 amThe first thing I do every day is take my antidepressant. I tried to deal with depression by myself, but when things just got too much and my blood pressure tanked, I discovered I needed extra help. And now I actually can get out of bed and deal with life. Sometimes I want to kick myself for not realizing I was as bad as I was, but when you are depressed a lot of times you don’t know that’s what wrong with you.
I think we definitely need to keep talking about depression, because a lot of people still think you can just snap out of it, and you really can’t.
Comment #10 by Lindsay1138August 24th, 2009 at 9:01 amI can totally relate to this post and it’s sentiments, too. I’ve been debating with myself over the last few months if it’s time to seek outside help — medication and/or counseling. I think that I’m not there yet, and my dh, whom I’ve told needs to tell me when I’m there hasn’t said he thinks it’s time yet either. Usually my combination of talking to close friends who can relate to my situation, exercising, praying, priesthood blessings as needed, temple attendance, and getting enough sleep seem to be enough to keep me out of the trough. I’ve felt very isolated and “out of the loop” the last few months, longing to be able to talk through some of my stresses and worries with my friends, but they have been unavailable, even after repeated times of reaching out to them. If I’d needed to send out a real distress signal to them, they would’ve dropped everything and been right here, but things weren’t nearly that desperate, so it took a lot longer to get their time and attention. But mostly my depression is related to the situation I’m in with a disbelieving dh, so really being able to just talk to others who understand is the best treatment for me; it’s just hard for us to get together very frequently. It’d be nice if my dh would be willing to talk about things, too, but things stay mostly on the surface and “shop talk” with him.
Comment #11 by StrollerbladerAugust 24th, 2009 at 9:28 amwhat really sucks is when someone knows what you are going through and does nothing. And I’m not even talking about anything big. Just sending a note in the mail. Dropping off a plate of cookies. A hug in the hallway of church, and offer to talk and just listen unless advice is asked for. Right now it feels more like the people who do know are afraid to approach me for fear of “catching” what I’m going through right now.
Comment #12 by ModdyAugust 24th, 2009 at 9:58 amModdy, I hear you. This is one reason it’s so hard for me to ask for help.
But I don’t know if people are afraid of contagion as much as they’re afraid period. I did nothing when a friend told me she was in trouble. Why? Well, first, I was seriously struggling myself. And I just didn’t have it in me. I was afraid that her needs would overwhelm me. A card or a hug I could do, but I was afraid if I started, her need wouldn’t stop, and I knew I couldn’t do more. I’m ashamed of this, but it’s the plain truth.
So, I wonder if sometimes other people don’t reach out because they’re afraid of being consumed. But when I’m doing okay, I know this is silly. Because I can remember dark times when a little something made a huge difference. Once, two neighbors came to my door and made me (yes, there was kind force involved) come outside and sit on my porch for a while. They talked and I sat there like a zombie. But you know, that was the beginning of cycling back up. 15 minutes on my porch.
Comment #13 by AhnaAugust 24th, 2009 at 10:46 amBeen there, done that, got the t-shirt too. You know, I really thought I had it beat. And I still tell myself I have it beat. I mean, if I explained what I was going through right now, everyone would say, “of course you feel like crap! That’s a crappy situation!” I did explain it to a friend, and she said that. And it was so nice to be validated I didn’t feel any negative feelings for days. It was amazing.
Anyway, I’m going to give a shout-out to my blog (sorry if that’s tacky). I’m writing a novel, and publishing it online. People who read it tell me they like it (well, I guess if they didn’t like it, they wouldn’t read it, but still). Two of my characters are dealing with depression (one on meds, and one who can’t afford meds), and all of them are dealing with why life sucks sometimes. Stories help me. Writing this story is helping me, and reading stories about people who struggle help me too.
Come visit. Click on my name and that will get you there. There’s a link to chapter one at the top of the sidebar on the right.
Comment #14 by Molly in the Jello BeltAugust 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pmEverything in this thread is true, and I’m sorry so many other people struggle with these things as well. I’ve been there, done that enough to have my own t-shirt/cloak/whatever.
Comment #15 by FirebyrdAugust 24th, 2009 at 3:04 pmDitto.
Comment #16 by kaduseyAugust 24th, 2009 at 4:04 pmI don’t expect you to understand but I do expect you to be nice.
Comment #17 by FernAugust 25th, 2009 at 1:27 amMy husband suffers from depression and anxiety, and I hate HATE that I can’t fix it. I usually feel pretty helpless. And guys (at least mine) are less likely to talk about their feelings, etc. And I have to be the tough, stable one.
I have some girl friends who also suffer from depression, and I just cannot imagine having to deal with it ON TOP of all the craziness our hormones put us through.
So no, I “don’t get it”, but I can sympathize. Its an ugly thing that seems like when you need help the most, that’s when you don’t want it, or don’t think it would help, etc. I guess we all just have to take things one day at a time.
Comment #18 by HilaryAugust 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am